Hi all,
I have the napkin ring below with a few mysterious marks. I know the last mark is the first Kokoshnik mark. I cannot, for the life of me, find the remaining marks. Any help is appreciated.
Thank you!
Russian Napkin Ring
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
Hi,
Hand engraved.
Kokoshnik (partially struck and assayer`s initials missing) and maker`s mark ending with ``Л`` look OK at first sight. But that`s no proof of authenticity because of suspicious issues:
1. Two marks, one of them being ``900``. The mark on the left needs better close up at the right angle (there are letters to be deciphered, if possible). These marks are not supposed to be found on Russian silver. The ring was not imported to Russia, either; take a look here
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24358
2. Engraved three letter cipher looks like ``MGC``. Letters M and C can be Cyrillic M and S, but the letter in the middle is Latin ``G``. Very unusual.
Regards
Hand engraved.
Kokoshnik (partially struck and assayer`s initials missing) and maker`s mark ending with ``Л`` look OK at first sight. But that`s no proof of authenticity because of suspicious issues:
1. Two marks, one of them being ``900``. The mark on the left needs better close up at the right angle (there are letters to be deciphered, if possible). These marks are not supposed to be found on Russian silver. The ring was not imported to Russia, either; take a look here
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24358
2. Engraved three letter cipher looks like ``MGC``. Letters M and C can be Cyrillic M and S, but the letter in the middle is Latin ``G``. Very unusual.
Regards
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
At least, I have never seen anything like this.These marks are not supposed to be found on Russian silver.
Let`s see what other members of the forum have to say. There are very knowledgeable people here.
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
On the other hand, it could be authentic Russian ring, two marks struck and engraved elsewhere abroad.
Zigzag line is engraved over the marks.
Zigzag line is engraved over the marks.
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
Hi grace5049 -
Here is the mark in fulll size and legible - the only time I saw this mark uncrippelt! In PL p 216, #2499 and 2500 you can find this mark. It seems that they decided sometimes for a shorter version - the long version I never have seen- Name: Lozinskij Iuka, 1882-1908 in Moscow.
Regards
Goldstein
sorce: PL, coll. Goldstein
Here is the mark in fulll size and legible - the only time I saw this mark uncrippelt! In PL p 216, #2499 and 2500 you can find this mark. It seems that they decided sometimes for a shorter version - the long version I never have seen- Name: Lozinskij Iuka, 1882-1908 in Moscow.
Regards
Goldstein
sorce: PL, coll. Goldstein
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
Hi AG2012 -
If one knows as much as you there is always the most complicated solution seeked....
Here an Rjumka from him but with the more often seen mark ИЛ.
Zigzag lines are a common stileelement in simple Russian silver. Costs nothing and looks good - and fill the space...
Regards
Goldstein
source: coll. Goldstein
If one knows as much as you there is always the most complicated solution seeked....
Here an Rjumka from him but with the more often seen mark ИЛ.
Zigzag lines are a common stileelement in simple Russian silver. Costs nothing and looks good - and fill the space...
Regards
Goldstein
source: coll. Goldstein
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
Hi,
Yes. This maker is Lozinsky. Moscow, 1899-1908.
But. The correct Jewish name - Itska.
Goldstein, "the long version" for you:
Yes. This maker is Lozinsky. Moscow, 1899-1908.
But. The correct Jewish name - Itska.
Goldstein, "the long version" for you:
Re: Russian Napkin Ring
Hi Dad -
thank you very much! Now I can relax - I have seen everything!
Regards
Goldstein
thank you very much! Now I can relax - I have seen everything!
Regards
Goldstein