This one has me perplexed
This one has me perplexed
Kurlykov but has a strike out on another smith and sold by London whole seller....
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Hi,
Please embed your images.
Trev.
Please embed your images.
Trev.
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Hi,
N. Bloom & Son was founded in 1912, when O.Курлюков alredy retired from business (1910) and died in 1916.The Great war started in the meantime.
Meaning, I doubt spoons were officially imported and retailed by N. Bloom & Son:the box does not belong to the set.
As suggested, embed your images and better close ups of the marks are needed: not all marks are overstruck.
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N. Bloom & Son was founded in 1912, when O.Курлюков alredy retired from business (1910) and died in 1916.The Great war started in the meantime.
Meaning, I doubt spoons were officially imported and retailed by N. Bloom & Son:the box does not belong to the set.
As suggested, embed your images and better close ups of the marks are needed: not all marks are overstruck.
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" I joined the company in 1953 straight from school. My grandfather had by then opened a business in New York. Whilst we still did some manufacturing, mostly we bought and restored in our own workshop large quantities of Sheffield and Victorian plate, which we shipped over to New York for sale. My uncle ran the business in London. We also dealt in fine quality Georgian silver; one of the first things I remember being a magnificent silver-gilt double tea and coffee set by the famous silversmith Paul Storr." - Ian Harris off of N-Bloom and Son website
The box is definitely a custom fit, made for the set mid 20th my guess. In line with the 50-60s remarketing of silver by the firm.
My question is why the overstrike on all the spoons not the sugar tongs but I cant take a picture on the tongs its in the middle on the hinge spot. I have never seen a Kurlykov overstike before.
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The box is definitely a custom fit, made for the set mid 20th my guess. In line with the 50-60s remarketing of silver by the firm.
My question is why the overstrike on all the spoons not the sugar tongs but I cant take a picture on the tongs its in the middle on the hinge spot. I have never seen a Kurlykov overstike before.
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There is silver with various maker`s initials beside Kurlykov mark (retailed by him or subcontractors).
Swan mark in your spoons is French import mark.
So,we have Russia, England (box) and France, as well as an overstruck mark. Silver moves in a mysterious way.
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Swan mark in your spoons is French import mark.
So,we have Russia, England (box) and France, as well as an overstruck mark. Silver moves in a mysterious way.
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A small addition. Orest Kurlyukov died in 1910. Then his heirs worked.
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Any guess on the original smith, his hmark is on the tongs pictured.
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The brands "СA" and "КУРЛЮКОВ" are found on spoons nearby very often.
The "СA" on the church products is probably Semyon Alekseev (Семен Алексеев).
Other "СA" may be Sergey Alexandrov (Сергей Александров), Sergey Alekseev (Сергей Алексеев) or someone else who was not published in the reference books of those years.
The "СA" on the church products is probably Semyon Alekseev (Семен Алексеев).
Other "СA" may be Sergey Alexandrov (Сергей Александров), Sergey Alekseev (Сергей Алексеев) or someone else who was not published in the reference books of those years.
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Akhmakov was the owner of a watch and gold jewelry store. Perhaps there was also a repair shop at the store. Therefore, I did not even remember him.
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Right, he was a jeweler but according to PL book silver items and holloware were made in his workshop: creamer, cup and spoon kept in State Historical Museum,Moscow (ГИМ).
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Yes, there are products with the brand "СA" in the museum. In whose workshop they were made there, they know only according to information from the PL. In this case, it is very likely that the existing brands were simply attached to the name that came across.Unfortunately, this happens very often in the reference books that you use.
In addition to the already mentioned masters, Ashmarin and Agafonov worked.
I think that Akhmakov is at the very end of the list of candidates.
In addition to the already mentioned masters, Ashmarin and Agafonov worked.
I think that Akhmakov is at the very end of the list of candidates.
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Sergei Agafonov mark looks different (cursive letters 2855 and no dot in 2856):
(From Skurlov):
АГАФОНОВ Сергей Иванович, влад. сер. завед., основанного в 1870 г., известен до 1897 г. По сведениям 1894 г. имел 17 рабочих, выработано продукции на 4000 руб. Пуговицы, посуда. 1895–1896: завед. серебр. изд., М. Мартыновский, Серп. ч., 2 уч., с. д. 1900: завед золотых. изд., Серпуховская, д. Гурьянова. Постникова—Лосева: клейма №№ 2855, 2856, 2875.
In regard of Asmarin,initials do not match:
1.Василий АШМАРИН
2.АШМАРИН П. Г
3.АШМАРИНА Агаф. Андреевна
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(From Skurlov):
АГАФОНОВ Сергей Иванович, влад. сер. завед., основанного в 1870 г., известен до 1897 г. По сведениям 1894 г. имел 17 рабочих, выработано продукции на 4000 руб. Пуговицы, посуда. 1895–1896: завед. серебр. изд., М. Мартыновский, Серп. ч., 2 уч., с. д. 1900: завед золотых. изд., Серпуховская, д. Гурьянова. Постникова—Лосева: клейма №№ 2855, 2856, 2875.
In regard of Asmarin,initials do not match:
1.Василий АШМАРИН
2.АШМАРИН П. Г
3.АШМАРИНА Агаф. Андреевна
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At the beginning of the 20th century, Semyon Vasilyevich Ashmarin was the owner of a silverware factory.
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I apologize-Stepan Vasilyevich Ashmarin.
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When did his son Stepan took over the workshop and did he change the mark ?
Ashmarin family business is quoted both by Ivanov and Skurlov under Vasily Matveyevich Ashmarin 1883- 1917. According to the address and reference book "All Moscow" ("Вся Москва") home ownership was registered with his wife Agafya Andreevna Ashmarina in 1902 and 1909. There is no reference when he died,though (after 1902 ?).
Ivanov:
Ashmarin family business is quoted both by Ivanov and Skurlov under Vasily Matveyevich Ashmarin 1883- 1917. According to the address and reference book "All Moscow" ("Вся Москва") home ownership was registered with his wife Agafya Andreevna Ashmarina in 1902 and 1909. There is no reference when he died,though (after 1902 ?).
Ivanov:
Skurlov277. Ашмарин Василий Матвеевич
Владелец фабрики серебряных изделий, 1883— 1917;
в 1900 году па выставке в Париже был награжден
бронзовой медалью, в 1901 году имел 25 рабочих;
Кологривский пер., собств. дом. Москва.
Marks:Инициалы па клейме: ВМА, АШ М А Р И Н Ъ , В.АШ М А РИ Н
АШМАРИН Василий Матвеевич, влад. фаб. сер. изд. Встреч. в 1883–1917 гг. В 1901 г. имел рабочих 25. Эксп. свои изделия на Парижских выставках в 1889, 1900 г., дважды награжден бронзовыми медалями. Дело продолжал сын — Степан Васильевич. 1895–1900: завед. серебр. изд., Кологривский пер., с. д. Постникова—Лосева: клейма № 2258, 2280, 2320, 2321, 2280.