Additional oval marks in Warsaw - what is their signification?
Hello all
It seems to me that my assumption, that maybe the additional oval cartouches to their name mark, of Warsaw gold and silversmiths, could be interpreted as an additional »house brand«. Could that now become more sounded?!
Now I’ve had the chance to study my assumption in brief — here are now the results:
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Nast« mark in script, for Ludwik Nast; addition: A jewellery ring, shown in perspective.
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1840_Ludwik_Nast.JPG
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L.Nast« mark in script, for Ludwik Walenty Nast II; addition: A jewellery ring, shown in perspective.
(The letter V = stand here for his second German Christian name »Valentin« is here in script integrated by him in the first letter N of his German family name Nast — Nast is a singular name, and couldn’t be translated!)
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1858_Ludwik_Walenty_Nast_II.JPG
Here with is documented, that my interpretation of »L.Nast« oval mark “contents”, a revealed »corncob«, is an absolutely wrong interpretation! But could be maybe used as a dates indication; because the inner area of the in perspective shown jewellery ring is worn by the often use of this punch?
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Malcz« mark in script, for Karol Filip Malcz; addition: An anchor.
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1840_Karol_Filip_Malcz.JPG
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1850_Karol_Filip_Malcz.JPG
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E.Radke« mark in script, for Emil Radke; addition: A horizontal Crescent, with 3 stars above of the Crescent.
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1850_Emil_Radke.JPG
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1860_Emil_Radke.JPG
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T.Klima.« mark in script, for Tomasz Klimazewski; addition: A to the right trotting farmers’ horse.
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http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... zewski.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Under these new interpretations of me, must maybe revised, that the »Meer-maid« mark is another Warsaw town symbol?
Please look here:
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Lilpop« mark in script, for Karol Jerzy Lilpop; addition: A »Meer-maid«
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/TE ... d=Warschau(Polen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)_1820_Karol_Jerzy_Lilpop.JPG
For me it’s very interesting, to see that almost of these »house brand« marks are placed in an oval cartouche.
Except that »house mark« of Tomasz Klimazewski - his additional »house mark«, a to the right trotting farmers’ horse, is shown first (attributed to be from about 1830) in a horizontal rectangle, with clipped edges; and second shown in a similar cartouche (attributed to be also from about 1830): A horizontal rectangle, with clipped edges.
The following please don’t interpret, to be of a kind of »Nationalism«:
In »Warszawa stare« (»… stare« = Old town) were the humans of German ancestry a “dominating” part of the population there. They were practising, and of course had their guilds too, in nearly all professions be needed in such a kind of agglomeration; including commercial activities as sales men and suppliers. Also gold and silversmith, as commercial activities as sales men and suppliers, were practised from some of the population of Jewish ancestry. And of course, there were also gold and silversmith of other National ancestry practising their profession, including them of being of Polish ancestry.
Warsaw was then a kind of multinational Micro Region.
The Polish court was in the history of Poland traditionally be settled in Krakow. By “grace” of Napoleon, the »Duchy of Warsaw« was settled in Warsaw. And by decision of the 1815 in Vienna held »Congress«, a part of historical “Poland” was becoming “Congress Poland” — as a kind of Province under Russian supervision.
In that time span the above as an example personally mentioned gold and silversmith of Warsaw were (I think so) all members of their Warsaw Guild of gold and silversmith.
It seems that the gold and silversmith of German ancestry were maybe the mayor group of the Warsaw Guild? Is the Oval cartouche maybe also a kind of symbol too? The Oval, as a kind of symbol: He is a gold and silversmith of German ancestry? Or maybe as a kind of an early quality mark: »Made by Germans«?
But why is the cartouche of Tomasz Klimazewski not also in an Oval, but in a horizontal rectangle with clipped edges? Is this by incidence, because his to the right trotting farmers’ horse has needed more space? Or were there in the Warsaw gold and silversmith Guild, divisions of nationalities? I think not — but I don’t know the real facts!
I’m now very curious on finding more facts pro or contra my assumption on additional oval Warsaw marks.
Last but not least, a huge amount of thanks to »Theoderich«, who has founded and runs the search possibility:
http://silberpunze.piranho.de" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Kind regards silverport
