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Thank you Ubaranda and Silverstone for that extra information.

I note the references to Captains spoons, which helps me as I have one of those as well.

Thanks again to all who have helped me.

Silverk.

HI all,

Wondering if anyone can identify this spoon, marked with a key and a cross above and a makers mark of A.S. Not at all sure if I have this topic in the correct section or not.

Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Colin

Perhaps the townmark of Pärnu in Estonia 18th century
https://parnu.ee/en/home/symbols-of-parnu
Peter.

Source Mark Rosenberg, Band IV

Hi Colin,

Peter's tip was very useful.

“A·S”
... Andreas Sperl arrived at Pärnu from Turku (Swedish: Åbo) in Finland and was made a Pärnu citizen on 14 March 1802. …
Sperl died on January 19, 1841, aged 71...
Source: Beyer, Jürgen, Andreas Sperl, maker of captain’s spoons at Pärnu (Pernau) from 1802 to 1841, published 2010


Source: Hõbedamärgid Eestis, Alur Reinans, Tallinn, 2005, p.78 No. 39

Reagards
Silverstone

Hello Colin,

Peter is correct that the city mark is the one from Pernau.

And Silverstone is correct to point to the maker, Andreas Sperl. The first reference is to an article published in the magazine for spoon collectors, The Finial, written by Jürgen Beyer and published in Vol. 21/02, Nov.-Dec. 2010, pp. 9-11. The second reference is from A. Reinans, Hobedamärgis Eestis - Die Silbermarken Estlands, Eesti Keele Sihtasutus, Tallinn 2005, no. 39, p. 78.

There are two additional references to Andreas Sperl: A. Leistikow, Baltisches Silber, Nordostdeutsches Kulturwerk, Lüneburg 1996, p. 277 and K. Kirme, Eesti Hobe - Estnisches Silber, Kirjastus "Kunst", Tallinn 2000, no. 182, p. 270.

A final remark. It is not uncommon to find spoons from the Baltic area described as "Captain's Spoons". To be identified without doubt as such they must have an inscription of the merchant/ship's agent who gave it to the captain, and of the city and year when it was given. There *are* captain's spoons *without* inscriptions but they have instead an iron-clad provenance, i.e. they have been given directly by the descendants of the original recipient.

Regards,

Scotrab

Thanks to all of you for your assistance.

As ever, very much appreciated

Regards,
Colin

Is this a captain's spoon by any chance? It was passed down to me by my grandmother who left Tallinn during World War II. On the back the engraving is "F.H. Tegeler" or "J.H. Tegeler", "3ten September 1856". The marks appear to be very worn. On the left is "AL" but the other two are illegible to me. Any assistance anyone can provide would be much appreciated!







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Peter.

Good morning Krista,

Your spoon ist not a captain's spoon but a spoon given to F. H. Tegeler for some occasion, birth, christening, wedding etc. on 3 September 1856.

AL is the mark of the goldsmith who made the spoon. The two following marks are unclear: I have to look in my references to see if I can find anything.

Regards

Scotrab

Scotrab wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:43 amAL is the mark of the goldsmith who made the spoon. The two following marks are unclear: I have to look in my references to see if I can find anything.

Thanks, Scott! Now I can stop researching sbipbrokers, haha.

The only JH Tegeler I know of was associated with setting up schools in Weissenstein/Paide in the 1830s-40s. Thanks to this forum I have figured out that Adolf Lundmann was a silversmith who worked for a while in Weissenstein, later in Reval/Tallinn. (And the only "AL" based on "DIE GOLDSCHMIEDE REVALS".) I tried to find a town Mark for Weissenstein. I don't think I am permitted to link to an auction listing but I saw a spoon listed as being by Lundmann in Weissenstein and the mark is a flag. This matches the middle stamp on my spoon if you orient it upside down. So I think that just leaves us with one mystery mark to go! I assume that will be an assayer's mark though it doesn't really look like one.

I think I found the maker.

He is Adolf Friedrich Lundmann (1827-1878) from Weissenstein, now Paide, a town 80km (50 miles) southeast of Reval.

Ref.: A. Leistikow, Baltisches Silber, Institut Nordostdeutsches Kulturwerk 1996, p. 338
K.Kirme, Eesti Hobe, Tallinn Kirjastus "Kunst" 2000, no. 198, p. 271.

https://i.postimg.cc/2Srmhyn8/Lundmann.jpg

The photograph of Lundmann's mark, just like yours, is from K. Kirmes book. Note in particular the third mark, after the town mark for Weissenstein. I can't make it out properly, tho'.

Regards,

Scotrab

We are obviously talking about the same person! Well done!

Regards,

Scotrab

I forgot to mention...

The Friedenthal references you mention doesn't say *what* the town mark is, nor do any of the other two references I indicated. However, from the drawing of the mark in A. Leistikow's book it seem that Weissenstein's town mark was a tower, sideways, perhaps a reference to the octagonal tower of its castle.

Regards,

Scotrab

Scotrab, thanks so much! I really appreciate your looking that up for me. Great that the same unidentified mark is next to the other two. And yes - good point - it could absolutely be a tower on its side.

Krista

Not sure if anyone has this information or not, but I would like to share it. A few weeks ago I got this beautiful serving set of 2 items, made in Latvia with makers mark (AH). I found a stamp on the box which probably stands for the makers initials: A. Hellwigs, who worked in city of Jelgava. In his last name there is letter W, that means that this item was made after the end of Russian Empire in 1917 and before Latvian language reformation in 1922.