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Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm
by luki-g
Hello,
I have a problem in identyfying a silvermark on a late 18th century sugar bowl:
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It bears a 12 loth mark and 'UBK' mark in cyryllic:
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I thought it may be Lithuanian but I can not find anything corresponding in any available literature.

Maybe you have some other ideas?

I will greatly appreciate your help!
With best regards,
Lukasz

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:43 am
by Qrt.S
Yes some ideas, but.... Nonetheless, it could be from Lithuania and from late 18th, early 19th century because it hasn't Russian control marks. They were implemented around 1860. Unfortunately I cannot either find the maker in my sources, not even in Lietuvos Auksakalysté XV-XIX amzius, sorry...

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:57 am
by luki-g
Dear Qrt.S,
Thank you very much for taking an effert to check it up in your library.
I also feel it could be Lithuania from that time but it would be great to be sure about it :)
All the best,
Lukasz

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:39 am
by Valdemar
Hello guys,
The design of the bowl reminds me Scandinavian dinnerware so I would look in this direction... I think it is Sweden one... The Б could be actually 6. Those Sweden silversmiths quite often put their initials and codes in the field of the shape with three petals. If you look the hallmarks of Swedish makers of Petersburg in PL #1630, 1755,1788 you are gonna find three petals fields with initials. So, I would post this pictures in another part of this site - for Scandinavian silver marks.
All the Best,
Vlad.

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:16 am
by Qrt.S
No, no, no, nothing to do with either Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Finland. Take my word for it.

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:29 am
by Qrt.S
Just for the records. Of pure curiosity I checked numbers Valdemar referred to and found that:

P#1630 Jean Francois (Xavier?) Bouddé came to St Petersburg via Hamburg 1769 and worked there 1769-1789. He is a Frenchman.
P#1755 Johann Wendel Feuerbach 1749-1767 is an Austrian.
P#1788 Martin Charles Dubulon came to St. Petersburg in 1733 and became master 1742-1765, a Frenchman.
@Valdemar
Could you kindly explain who are the Swedes? In addition, very few Swedish masters punched their maker's mark in a trefoil. Please do not jump into hasty conclusions.

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:02 am
by Valdemar
Qrt.S wrote:Just for the records. Of pure curiosity I checked numbers Valdemar referred to and found that:

P#1630 Jean Francois (Xavier?) Bouddé came to St Petersburg via Hamburg 1769 and worked there 1769-1789. He is a Frenchman.
P#1755 Johann Wendel Feuerbach 1749-1767 is an Austrian.
P#1788 Martin Charles Dubulon came to St. Petersburg in 1733 and became master 1742-1765, a Frenchman.
@Valdemar
Could you kindly explain who are the Swedes? In addition, very few Swedish masters punched their maker's mark in a trefoil. Please do not jump into hasty conclusions.
OK. That was my guess. Just wanted to help find the true solution.

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:07 am
by Aguest
Is the lid marked too or just the bottom of the base?

Re: Help needed in identyfiyng Russian or Baltic XVIII c. silvermarks

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:19 pm
by luki-g
These marks are only on the bottom of the base, there are no marks on the lid