Please help me to identify this box

[nnerka1]

[Qrt.S]

The mark in the middle is not a maker's mark but the assayer's mark. He is Nikolay Dubrovin in Moscow active 1822-1855/62. The maker's mark is in the red circle. It is impossible to read. Please show the same mark in the lid. The manufacturing year seems to be 1827.

[nnerka1]

[Goldstein]

Hi nnerka1 -

This is a very nice, early niello snuff box. Congratulations! If you own it, please clean it with soap/water and a soft tooth brush to remove the residue of an old cleaning agent (the white stuff!). The condition is excellent!
The maker is a well known niello maker (objects from him are in 2 major Russian museums exhibited) but unfortunately not by name!


= cigarette cases in niello

Regards
Goldstein

source: PL, p.229, #2960

[nnerka1]

Thank you very much

[Qrt.S]

@nnerka1
The maker's mark to the left is very unclear. Goldstein could be right, but..? I would, anyway, like to see the mark when you have cleaned it if you please.

[Aguest]

Also what is the mark to the right of the "84" hallmark? That would be the town mark?

[Qrt.S]

Riding St. George slaughtering the dragon. It is the town mark for Moscow.

[Goldstein]

Hi Aguest -

here the correct mark - fitting to the maker´s mark 1826-27



Regards
Goldstein

source: PL, #2007

[Qrt.S]

I'm afraid that the town mark shown by Goldstein is not the same as on the box. The correct one looks like this:



It is a bit unclear when it was used but 1816(20)-1830 is close enough.
(P#2005, a more specific period is mentioned above and not only 1816 as in Postnikova)

[nnerka1]

Thank you