ADAMS, Stephen I (Grimwade p.419)

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ADAMS, Stephen I (Grimwade p.419)

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First mark as Bucklemaker 5 February 1774 at 3, St Annes Lane

7 April 1773
Livery

Bucklemaker marks until 1787, although according to Grimwade he was principally a Spoonmaker. Numerous buckles bearing his mark survive .
One of his trade cards gives him as "At the Hand and Spur in St Annes Lane near Aldersgate , London,
Makes & Sells all sorts of Silver Buckles, Tea Tongs, Salts & Milk Ewers in the neatest Manner & at the Lowest Prices "

26 July 1783
a Stephen Adams was turned over to a Stephen Adams , Loriner. Probably to Stephen Adams I as Stephen Adams II was not free until 1784 . Another relation ?

17 January 1787
Under Warden of Goldsmiths Company

18 January 1788
Upper Warden of Goldsmiths Company

21January 1789
Master Warden of Goldsmiths

Grimwade comments that he may have retired by 1790 and was probably dead by 1802.

He appears however, from an Old Bailey trial (No 58 of 14 February 1798) , to be still active in 1798.

Heal gives "Steven Adams & Son , Goldsmiths" St Annes Lane , Foster Lane 1790 -1796

The will of a Stephen Adams , Silversmith of St John, Hackney , Middlesex was proved at PCC on 24 March 1803 (PROB 11/1387/325) is almost certainly his
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Additional information courtesy of Mike
His wife' was named as Sarah Adams on the christening record of his son, Stephen Adams II at St Mary Staining in 1763 .
On the apprenticeship of the son, Stephen Adams I was refered to as a goldsmith but a free of the Lorimers Company.
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28 September 1759 Stephen Adams of St Botolph parish without Aldersgate London bachelor & silversmith bound in marriage to Sarah Marsh spinster.He was twenty three at the time of the marriage
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3 September 1760 William son of Stephen Adams of Chelsfield in the County of Kent Victualler apprenticed to Stephen Adams the younger Loriner of London. (An indenture contract that appears likely to point to Stephen Adams I's father.)
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Re: ADAMS, Stephen I (Grimwade p.419)

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Hi all,
A possible correction to this post: presumedly those dates for SA I relate to membership of the Loriners' Company not Goldsmiths'?
Best,
Luke
buckler wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:32 pm First mark as Bucklemaker 5 February 1774 at 3, St Annes Lane

7 April 1773
Livery

Bucklemaker marks until 1787, although according to Grimwade he was principally a Spoonmaker. Numerous buckles bearing his mark survive .
One of his trade cards gives him as "At the Hand and Spur in St Annes Lane near Aldersgate , London,
Makes & Sells all sorts of Silver Buckles, Tea Tongs, Salts & Milk Ewers in the neatest Manner & at the Lowest Prices "

26 July 1783
a Stephen Adams was turned over to a Stephen Adams , Loriner. Probably to Stephen Adams I as Stephen Adams II was not free until 1784 . Another relation ?

17 January 1787
Under Warden of Goldsmiths Company

18 January 1788
Upper Warden of Goldsmiths Company

21January 1789
Master Warden of Goldsmiths

Grimwade comments that he may have retired by 1790 and was probably dead by 1802.

He appears however, from an Old Bailey trial (No 58 of 14 February 1798) , to be still active in 1798.

Heal gives "Steven Adams & Son , Goldsmiths" St Annes Lane , Foster Lane 1790 -1796

The will of a Stephen Adams , Silversmith of St John, Hackney , Middlesex was proved at PCC on 24 March 1803 (PROB 11/1387/325) is almost certainly his
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Hi Luke,

Many thanks for adding the information, it is appreciated.

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lukebgi wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:50 am Hi all,
A possible correction to this post: presumedly those dates for SA I relate to membership of the Loriners' Company not Goldsmiths'?
I am inclined to agree with you on this point, but at the same time, we need to know if translation from one company to another occurred. i do not know.
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Re: ADAMS, Stephen I (Grimwade p.419)

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Agreed, it would be good to cross-check company records for anyone who has access.

Just to add that a few more hints lie in the titles associated with the dates above: I know that the Loriners have an "Under Warden" and then an "Upper Warden" whereas the Goldsmiths number them, I think, and have more than two. Also, when he reaches the top of the tree, he becomes "Master" as opposed to the Goldsmiths calling their 'master' the "Prime Warden".

Also the Loriners' Master's Year starts (currently) in late January, whereas the Goldsmiths Installation of Prime Warden takes place in May (hence the Assay year) - so the January date above fits with the Loriners.

Let's keep this thread updated if we find anything more definitive!

Cheers

L

silverly wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:42 pm
lukebgi wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:50 am Hi all,
A possible correction to this post: presumedly those dates for SA I relate to membership of the Loriners' Company not Goldsmiths'?
I am inclined to agree with you on this point, but at the same time, we need to know if translation from one company to another occurred. i do not know.
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