Provincial Sause ladle

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JanGroen
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Provincial Sause ladle

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Good day
I found this at a fleamarket near Cape Town today. It was sold amoung the plated cutlery. I liked it because of the engraved pig on the handle. I believe it is a piece of Cape Silver with pseudo British marks. The makers mark seems to be I•Y. Any help will be helpful.
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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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Hi Jannie,

This one will be silver-plated I'm afraid, the marks are attributed to Israel Yudelman & Sons of Sheffield.

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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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dognose wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 8:54 am Hi Jannie,

This one will be silver-plated I'm afraid, the marks are attributed to Israel Yudelman & Sons of Sheffield.

Trev.
It seems so...at least I still liked it before I through it was solid silver.
Thanks for always giving a speedy reply to my posts.

Groete
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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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Sorry to query the view given by Trev but ....... The makers mark do indeed suggest Yudelman but the style of the engraving alone looks very odd. Cannot see any clear indication of the use of nickel silver and the patina alone would suggest a very heavy plate untypical of the Yudelman output .
I know the firm copied forms from c 80 years earlier but is this really of their making?

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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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Good evening
I found this picture of the mark on Silver Markers Marks
https://www.silvercollection.it/5497YUDELMANbis.jpg

I would love to see where it is from as I can't find any other on the internet.

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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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Hi Heamatite,
but is this really of their making?
It's an important question and that is the very reason that I chose to use the word 'attributed', and also the reason as to why I started this topic:

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I'm not for a second saying this mark is not that of Israel Yudelman & Sons, it almost certainly is, but I would be a lot more comfortable if I saw some actual proof that it was.

In this case we appear to have some evidence that the item is indeed plated by the inclusion of the centrally placed, what appears to be, 'pelt' mark, a somewhat popular mark used by some platers that likely represents a 'skin' of silver covering the piece.

Trev.
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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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Ancestry site suggests a South African Connection in 1906. Was there a fashion for reproduction German silver and plated flatware around 1900?
The Yudelman mark is seen on so many fish slices for example of c !830-1840 style that I wonder just what the market for them was

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Re: Provincial Sause ladle

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Good day
Sp I have worked out the SG of this piece. It is 9, so most links not silver.
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