Silver basket

[huszas76]

Dear Members!
Do you have any ideas about this mark?
It is a silver basket made of thin silver plate using pressing technique.
There is no any other mark, neither in the handle.



Thank you for your help!
Best regards!
Krisztián

[Ubaranda]

Hello!
This is a Russian customs mark from before 1882. In this case it is the mark of the Odessa customs. ПТ means "привозной товар" ("imported goods"). At that time, a lot of illegal goods were imported through Odessa, so the absence of a manufacturer's mark is quite understandable.
Regards.

[huszas76]

Dear Ubaranda!
Thank you for your help, it is a big help for me!
I had some doubts about the origin of the basket because so unusual, I've never seen similar with russian mark(s).
But it is clear now!
I learned something again!
Best regards!
Krisztián

[amena]

Thanks from me too, Ubaranda.
Now I understand the meaning of the mark that is on one of my silver baskets.

I have learned something too
Amena

[Qrt.S]

Mind me but some times it worth to take a look and read these sites:
https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html

Scroll down to headline "Import Marks."......and the other Russian pages too ..... :-)))))))))

[Ubaranda]

Hello!
From about the early 1870s until 1882, customs marks similar to the mark under discussion were used (photo 1). From 1882, changes were made - the so-called notches appeared (photo 2). Such marks were used until the end of 1898.
Examples of Riga customs marks are given.
Regards.

[Aguest]

:::: What are the hallmarks on Amena's bowl? (the second bowl shown in this thread)? :::::

:::: It seems to be Malorossia (Kyiv, Kharkov, Chernigov, Zhitomir etc.) based on the style of the hallmarks but I thought the Malorossian hallmarking system didn't exist past 1835 or 1840 or somewhere around there? :::::::

:::: Are the hallmarks actually Lithuanian? :::::::

[Qrt.S]

The marks under the Russian import mark are the exporting country's marks. Hardly Lithuanian, but?

[Aguest]

::::: I did notice the marks under the import mark, it seems as if the import mark was mis-stamped and then stamped again further to the left (see the first "84" that seems to be above the second "84") but I have no idea what that original mark underneath would be. :::::

::::: I'm really not even concentrating on that mark, the number "14" (might be a 14?) and the maker's mark remind me of Malorossian examples that Ubaranda has posted here in the past. :::::: But I was under the impression that the old Malorossian system was discontinued in 1835 or 1840 so if that bowl is Malorossian I was just wondering if it was an older object that had been marked with the new import hallmark circa 1880 or ? :::::::

[amena]

I think it's a 14 because 14 lots equals 875/1000 which is 84 zolotniki