Help me identifying these hall marks

[philip]

Hi there,

Can anyone tell me where this comes from and what the hall marks say?



Thanks a lot.

Philip

[piette]

Hi,
The sugar bowl and cream jug are English Silver (I am unsure of the spoon!).
From left to right the marks on the two English items mean:

Makers Mark - Assay Mark - Silver Purity Mark - Date Letter

The Assay mark on this piece is for the City of Birmingham.
The silver purity mark which depicts a left facing lion with a raised paw indicates this item is solid sterling (.925) silver.
The date letter is for the year 1929.
The Sugar bowl and Jug appear to be made by different makers - I cannot make out who the makers marks are for as they are a little blurred. If you are able to post a sharper picture, please do so and I will identify the makers of the two items.

Regards,
Piette

[philip]

Hi Piette,

thanks for your info,

Here 2 more pictures, hope they are better.



Kind regards,

Philip

[piette]

Hi Piette,

thanks for your info,

Here 2 more pictures, hope they are better.



Kind regards,

Philip

Hi,
Sorry! My mistake - the bowl and jug are both made by the same silversmith. The marks just looked different to be in the first pictures.
They were made by Charles S Green & Co Ltd who worked between 1904-1986 and had various silver workshops.
Their first workshop was located at Warstone Lane, Birmingham and they then moved to Cogent Gardens, St. Pauls Square, Birmingham.
Later on, they moved to London and opened up shop in Hatton Gardens, London.
They were known mostly to have made items such as ashtrays, bowls, boxes, candlesticks, cigarette cases, clocks, coasters, decanter labels, dresser sets, flasks, picture frames, goblets, matchbox holders, mirrors, salvers and vases.

Regards,
Piette

[philip]

Hi piette, are you sure it is 1929? If I look at the Birmingham date chart it looks like it is from 1853. I could be very wrong because I dont know a lot about silver. Just starting to look in this.

Thanks again for your views on this.

Kind regards,

Philip

[piette]

Hi Phillip,
Your items are from 1929 - I will explain.
Here are your marks:

Take note of the shape of the cartouche around the letter 'E' - it has a point on the bottom.

Now look at the date mark for 1853:

The cartouche on this mark has all straight edges - not a point at the bottom.
Also, note the presence of the monarchs mark on the left. This mark shows the profile of Queen Victoria - this was an obligatory mark on all silver items which were made in the UK before 1910.
Your item does not bear this monarchs mark and therefore we can conclude that it was made after 1910.

Also, look at the 1929 mark:

Note that the cartouche has a point at the bottom, like the mark on your item.
Also, note that there is no monarchs mark here, like with your item.

I hope this helps.
Regards,
Piette

[philip]

Once again thanks for your help!!!

Hopefully I can be of any help one day :)

Philip

[oel]

Hi Guy’s

I guess you like to know more about the spoon, but the photo’s is a blur to me. Sorry can not help.

Regards,

Oel

[philip]

Hi,
here new pictures of the spoon. Can anyone tell me where it is from/what it is?

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thanks again.

Philip

[philip]

better now

[oel]

Much better Philip, but not Dutch silver. To me it could be silver plated.

Regards,

Oel

[piette]

Also, note the presence of the monarchs mark on the left. This mark shows the profile of Queen Victoria - this was an obligatory mark on all silver items which were made in the UK before 1910.

Just a quick amendment - this should read "in the UK before 1890" not 1910.
Regards,
Piette

[silverport]

Electro plated sugar shovel in classical Baguette style pattern.

Hello Philip

»Oel« has already suspected correct, that the sugar shovel is electro plated. She is without any indication, how many gram silver were used for the plating processing of the item; that could be 1 gram until about 3 gram.

The sugar shovel was made by the Plated Cutlery Factory of B. Bohrmann (or his successors), Sandweg 21, in Frankfurt/Main, Germany. The company was founded in 1865.

It is so called »Hotel Silver« - made for use in public spaces, like Hotels, Restaurants, Cruise Ships, Hospitals, Military …

A precise date or time span, when the sugar shovel was made, isn’t possible for me to tell = before WWI maybe?

Kind regards silverport

[2209patrick]

Hi Philip.

In the future, please post just one item and set of marks per thread.
Posting Requirements

Pat.

[oel]

Hello Silverport,

Good to see you are back, you had me worried a little, and like always with very interesting information.
Thank you very much. Best Wishes.

Oel