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Center of Table

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:36 am
by Funkel
I request information about these hallmarks

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Thank you very much and congratulation for the forum
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:33 am
by doc
My guess is that this is a Chinese Export mark; I don't recognize the maker, but perhaps someone will.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:08 am
by Funkel
Many thanks Doz. It was bought in Spain. Your you believe that is sterling?.
He excuses my English evil

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:33 pm
by admin
Hi Funkel,
It may be silver and not silverplate. Is there anything that indicates that it is plated?
Hay algo que indicar esta plateado?
Forgive my poor Spanish.
Regards, Tom

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:20 am
by Funkel
Hello admin
Thank you very much for his answer and for his effort on having written in spanish.
I am almost sure that are sterling, do not want to scratch them and want to insure for the hallmarks.
He believes like doc that should be Chinese?

Hola admin
Muchas gracias por su contestación y por su esfuerzo al escribir en español.
Estoy casi seguro que son sterling, no quiero rascarlas y me quiero asegurar por los hallmarks.
Cree como doc que sea China?

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:30 pm
by admin
Hi,
I also suspect it is silver. The crude nature of the marks are similar to some used in China, but the style of the piece is not like anything I've ever seen from there. Similar pieces, comparable in design and manufacture, are usually seen with Italian hallmarks, however there is nothing about the marks that indicate Italy.
To add more confusion, letters in the left mark appear to be Cyrillic or Greek. In all honesty, I don't have a clue as to where it was made. Perhaps, and this is just a wild guess, a Spanish or Italian silversmith working outside of the standard marking system. An interesting mystery, I hope others can solve it.
Regards, Tom

response is way beyond the limits of my rudimentary Spanish, but this Google translation looks surprisingly good!

yo también sospecho que es la plata. La cruda naturaleza de las marcas son similares a algunas utilizadas en China, pero el estilo de la obra no es como todo lo que yo haya visto nunca de allí. Piezas similar, comparable en diseño y fabricación, se suele observar con sello italiano, sin embargo no hay nada acerca de las marcas que indican Italia. Para añadir más confusión, letras de la marca de la izquierda parece ser el cirílico o el griego. Con toda honestidad, no tengo idea de dónde se hizo. Quizás, y esto es sólo un comodín adivinar, un orfebre italiano o español que trabajan fuera de la norma de sistema de marcado. Un interesante misterio, espero que otros puedan solucionarlo.

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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:53 pm
by Funkel
Thank you very much Tom, surely is from a country that they write in Cyrillic, but I do not meet on which. The certain thing is that Spanish it is not.
Attentivly
Jose

Muchas gracias Tom, seguramente sea de un país que escriban en cirilico, pero no doy con cual. Lo cierto es que español no es.
Atentamente
José

Re: Center of Table

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:48 am
by dognose
I thought this post was worth bumping to the top again. Perhaps someone has some fresh thoughts on the origin of this piece?

Trev.

Re: Center of Table

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:18 am
by ovo
I have never seen a mark like this in Spain, but I have seen a very similar to the left.

The real silverware factory Martinez, used as a trademark a letter M, with a letter Z above. Obviously, the above is not a letter Z, but if it is if we turn, it is. Do you think it is possible that the mark is a copycat?, Much like those of Hannau. Note that the real silverware factory Martinez was the most important in the nineteenth century in Spain and there learned the trade the best silversmiths of the time. Do you think that might be the mark of a student?.




Yo nunca he visto una marca igual a esta en España, pero si he visto una muy similar a la de la izquierda.

La real fabrica de plateria Martinez, utiliza como marca una letra M, con una letra Z encima. Obviamente, lo de arriba no es una letra Z, pero si lo es si le damos la vuelta, si lo es. ¿Creeis que es posible que la marca sea de un imitador?, al estilo de las de Hannau. Tened en cuenta que la real fabrica de plateria Martinez fue la mas importante en el siglo XIX en España y alli aprendieron el oficio los mejores plateros de la epoca. ¿Creeis que pueda ser la marca de un alumno?.

Re: Center of Table

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:56 am
by ovo
Here you have a photograph of a brazier that I have, with a mark similar to photography. In this case, the letter "z" is correct. The hallmark, seems to me that is of real silverware factory Martinez.


Os dejo una fotografia de un braserillo que tengo, con una marca similar a la de la fotografia. En este caso, la letra "z" es correcta. La marca a mi me parece que es de la real fabrica de plateria Martinez.

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Re: Center of Table

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:17 pm
by Funkel
Ovo perdone por no contestarle antes, estoy seguro de que conoce a la perfección la marca de la Real Fábrica Platería Martínez y pienso que no tiene nada que ver con lo que estamos exponiendo aqui, ni siquiera como imitación. Adjunto un contraste de Martínez para aquellos que no lo conozcan. Ademas siempre va acompañado por las dos marcas de Corte y Villa de Madrid.
Un saludo y Muchas gracias por su aportación

Google Translate:
Sorry for not answering Ovo before, I'm sure you know a perfect mark of the Real Fábrica Platería Martinez and I think that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here, even as an imitation. Deputy Martinez hallmarks to those who do not know. You always accompanied by the two brands of Court and City of Madrid.
A greeting and thank you very much for your input


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