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Help with Russian silver snuff box
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:39 pm
by rat-tail
Please could someone help me identify the maker and period of this Russian silver snuff box. I would estimate guess 19th century, but pre Zelotnik (?) mark. Stamped on the lid with ABI or ABJ and the assay master's mark is all but obliterated. I may be able to see moscow in the dots but may be imagining it. In the base is ABand a smudge, 84 and what looks like a dancer or a woman pointing. My apologies, but found it very difficult to photograph inside the box. And help is appreciated - Regards Frank
Mark in lid
Marks in box
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:47 am
by Qrt.S
Well Frank, its essential to have a better picture of the last of your photos. However, it looks like Moscow and the time frame might be 1851-1872. Unfortunately ABJ (?) is unfamiliar to me. But kindly explain what you mean with ... but pre Zelotnik (?) mark.. The Zololotnik mark is the 84 and that is the 875/1000 silver quality mark.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:48 am
by Qrt.S
Ah, ZOLOTNIK I meant to write.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:55 pm
by rat-tail
Hi Qrt.S
I shall try to take some more pictures in natural light tomorrow, but it's a bit difficult - you need four hands. The assayers mark on the lid though is pretty much gone unfortunately.
And I'm sorry for getting my terms wrong, I meant the woman's head mark which I think came out in 1896. Forgive me for being a bit of a peasant on this one.
Many thanks Frank
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:08 am
by Qrt.S
No problem Frank, this is a rather difficult area. Anyway, the woman's head is called kokoshnik, in other words a Russian ladies' diadem. I'll wait for better photos.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:22 pm
by rat-tail
hi I don't know if these help. I suspect the marks are just too far gone for anything conclusive. And the ones inside the box really difficult to photograph - you're always working in your own shadow. But any thoughts appreciated. Thanks Frank
On the lid
in the box
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:13 pm
by Qrt.S
Hate to say it, but I'm unable to tell you more than I already did. The marks unfortunately are too worn, sorry.
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