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18th century German crest on candlestick

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:17 am
by multiplequestions
Hi again,

this is a photo of the 2nd candlestand


x


and this is a photo of the crest engraved in both of them


x


Still happy about any further hints.

Kind regards
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:33 am
by Hose_dk
multiplequestions wrote: How come you think the crest to be the crest of a count of all aristocrats?
It is due to the type of crown. Iam not that "skilled" in various crowns but a king, a baron, a duke etc all had/have different type of crowns.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:01 am
by multiplequestions
That's quite interesting. There's a Wikipedia site with different types of crowns

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangkrone

- considering those pictures, it doesn't even seem to be a duke's crown but one of the lower aristocracy without a title.

I've posted the crest on a German heraldry board now. Perhaps anybody of the specialists knows it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:03 am
by multiplequestions
... not even a COUNT's ... I meant
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:02 pm
by multiplequestions
Hi again,

just want to give a short report. The heraldry experts have found out that the crest is very probably the crest of some Mr Hoinckhusen of Mecklenburg. He has been ennobled in September 1716. So everything seems to fit very well together!

Best regards
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Re: 18th century German crest on candlestick

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:01 am
by ARGENTUM49
German speaking countries - ``Older Crown of Nobility`` but, the engraving is very poor.Higher nobility excluded.
That is the reason I insist on craftsmanship, not rely on hallmarks only. It was not easy to find a good hand engraver even in 18th and 19th century and let alone now.
Ivan

Re: 18th century German crest on candlestick

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:12 am
by ARGENTUM49
Another point to add: if the candlestick has 18th century hallmarks it definitely means that it belonged to a noble or very rich family. Silver, as well as porcelain, was available to a very limited circle of buyers. Industrial revolution in England made ``middle class`` that could afford to buy silver (Victorian age). Besides, the technology in 19th century contributed to mass production and made silver cheaper, although taxes have never been low on silverware. Even today, high taxation on silver has ruined high — end silver production.
Ivan