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Moscow marks please
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:44 pm
by carlislepaul
Please identify Moscow marks
Regards
Paul
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:25 am
by Qrt.S
Another long haul. Its made and assayed i Moscow 1882-1886 (88). The maker, is it К.И (KI) who is unknown to me. Sorry
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:41 pm
by Juke
Hi!
I guess you meant the assay period from 1882 - 1896 (98) or have I something new to learn.
Regards,
Juke
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:54 pm
by Qrt.S
Yes of course 1882-1896 (98). Thank you for correcting my typo. I'm terribly sorry.
Maybe somebody wonders why 98 in brackets. The official years are 1882-1896 but it just happened that the mint office was unable to produce and deliver the new assaying marks all over the large country before the deadline. Therefore you can find items marked up to the end of 1898 and even in a few very rare cases even with the year 1899 with the old marks.
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Moscow mark
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:18 pm
by carlislepaul
Thank you for your efforts and messages.
Paul
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:35 pm
by Postnikov
Hi -
when you read Russian silvermarks, every detail is important! Is the master´s punch in a rectangle, a square or an oval - in this case it is in an oval, it do not read IK (there is no IK in an oval in Moscow), it reads KK and is the punch of Kijazev Konstantin Egorowitsch ( 1885-1889).
Hope that helps
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Russian spoon
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:02 pm
by carlislepaul
Thank you Postnikov, well done again.
Paul
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:47 am
by Qrt.S
I would not bet on that. You cannot take an initial and just claim that is he or she for the reason that the initials just happen to match. What if I say that it could as well be Kuzma Ivanovich Konov. A silversmith from Moscow 1891-1917 who's initials happen also to be KK.
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moscow mark
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:08 pm
by carlislepaul
Gents
Postnikov states eleswhere that the makers mark is always upside down to the assay mark.
When looking at it in this way, I (I should say my wife who understands cyrillic and thinks it is I JA) find the mark almost identical to Ivan Yashin, Moscow 1884-1897, who has been recently added to the Russian makers marks on this website. What do you think?
At the time of writing imagehost.org has crashed so an enlarged photo will not be available until it is repaired.
Regards
Paul
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:56 pm
by Postnikov
Hi -
Jaschin Ivan Kusmitsch, the owner of a larger silverfactory making mostly "stakantschik and loschki" (little vodka shotglases in silver and spoons) could be your man. But first let´s have a look at the spoon again when imagehost.org is working. (photobucket never crashes....), because his mark is in a rectangle.
Regards
Postnikov
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:51 pm
by Postnikov
Hi -
server is on again, here my thoughts:
spoon normal
Spoon turned 180°
Maker Kiazev
The catouche is exact, font fits
Maker Jaschin
The cartouche is a rectangle, do not fit, font do not fit
My opinion: Kiazev
Regards
Postnikov
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:16 am
by Qrt.S
Its not Yachin, but Kiazev is one possibility, but the cartuoche on the spoon has more rounded corners, but...?
However, to me it still looks like КИ and that gives two other possible alternatives:
K. Iv. Ivanov, mentioned 1898 in Moscow and Ksenia Pavlovna Ilyina, also mentioned 1898 in Moscow. The problem is, however, that I know the initials only but not the shape of their mark or font.
I don't think we can do much more...
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moscow maker
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:27 pm
by carlislepaul
Gents
Thank you for all your efforts.
Regards
Paul
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