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Does anyone recognize the marks on this ancient fork:

It is indeed from Lübeck. The double-headed eagle in this shield outline is the city mark used by guild warden Carl Dietrich Joachim Schwartzkopf (1808-1871), who served in the post 1833-1865; it looks like the second version of his mark used 1857-1865.

The maker's mark, unfortunately, is not recorded, and could belong to any one of three Lübeck silversmiths:

Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Buchwald (1816-1898); Master 1847
Johann Peter Christian Byström (1824-1859); Master 1854
Christoph Friedrich Wilhelm Boy (1839-1888); Master 1864


Ref: Björn R. & Marina Kommer, Lübecker Silber 1781-1871 (Lübeck: Schmidt & Römhild, 1978), pp. 49 & 54

Wow, Blakstone! I can't thank you enough. Your posts are always of great interest to me, and it's such an honor to have you looking at this piece.

Hallo blakstone there are
some other Lübeck makers

PH/A , oval townmark
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/Pu ... 27_PHA.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Grube
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/Pu ... _Grube.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
HD
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/Pu ... 832_HD.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kind regards Theo

blakstone wrote: Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Buchwald (1816-1898); Master 1847
Johann Peter Christian Byström (1824-1859); Master 1854
Christoph Friedrich Wilhelm Boy (1839-1888); Master 1864

for me it looks like - CS not CB

Theoderich, I think you’re right . . . sometimes a second pair of eyes really helps! Oddly enough, “CS in an oval” is the maker’s mark of the warden himself: Carl Dietrich Joachim Schwartzkopf (1808-1871); Master 1844 [Kommer #101]

As for the other marks:

#1:
Lübeck Arms: interim mark used 1827-1828 & 1831-1833 when the position of guild warden was temporarily vacant due to the sudden resignation of two successive wardens. [Kommer #ZV a]
PH/A: Peter Holt Ambders (1785-1854); Master 1822 [Kommer #2]

#2:
Lübeck Arms: warden Carl Dietrich Joachim Schwartzkopf (1808-1871), Warden 1833-1865, this mark 1857-1865 [Kommer #Schwartzkopf sen. II a]
Grube: Johann Hinrich Grube (1804-1874); Master 1834 [Kommer #34]

#3:
Lübeck Arms: warden Carl Dietrich Joachim Schwartzkopf (1808-1871), Warden 1833-1865, this mark 1857-1865 [Kommer #Schwartzkopf sen. II a]
HD: Jacob Heinrich Simon Damm (1806-1882); Master 1855 [Kommer #12]

Hope this makes up for the error!

Hi,

I agree with you it could well be "CS" and then

Carl Dietrich Joachim Schwartzkopf (1808-1871), born in 1808, wardein (assay master) in 1833-1866, master in the period 1844-1864, died in 1871
Ref: Björn R. & Marina Kommer, Lübecker Silber 1781-1871 (Lübeck: Schmidt & Römhild, 1978), pp. 49 & 69
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Peter Holst Ambders (1785-1854), master 1822, died in 1854 (p. 53)
The year of the engraving, 1827, seems to match the assay mark used interimistically between two wardeins (Zwischenverwaltung II 1827-28 p. 47)

Johann Hinrich Grube (1804-1871), master in 1834, died in 1871 (p. 58)

Jacob Heinrich Simon Damm (1806-1882), master in 1855 (p. 55)


Best regards/JAKJO

I thank you blakstone & JAKJO for your help
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/Pu ... _Grube.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/Pu ... mbders.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/Pu ... n_Damm.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regards Theo