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Maker and origin of this Box ?

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:18 pm
by dinio
Hi,

This is a small silver box whose length is 58 mm and weight 65 g, with a cast lid showing a man with two geese in his arms and a gilt interior. Here are two pictures :

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There are two hallmarks located on the bottom. The crossed keys mark seems to be the city mark for Liegnitz (see http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884_3.html.
The other mark could then be the maker's mark. It looks like a dog head.

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Could someone confirm this origin and help identifying this maker ?

Thanks in advance,
Dinio

Re: Maker and origin of this Box ?

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:51 am
by Theoderich
It is Hanau
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probably Gebr. Glaser

Re: Maker and origin of this Box ?

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:04 pm
by dinio
Thanks Theoderich for pointing me in the right direction.

I went the wrong way because the second mark for Liegnitz in http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884_3.html is almost exactly the crossed keys mark on the box.

Looking now in more details at the Hanau marks page ( http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html ), I can see that this crossed keys mark corresponds to s490 in samples 11 and 12 of Neresheimer & Sohne. Then, the dog head could be another mark to be attributed to Neresheimer & Sohne and the box could be from that firm.
If it is the case than your B in a shield accompanying the dog head could perhaps fit well with s512 in sample 11, which is also attributed to Neresheimer & Sohne and which is probably different from s538 which is attributed on this page to Gebruder Glaser. What is your feeling about this B ?

Anyway I wonder if the second mark illustrating Liegnitz could be a Neresheimer & Sohne one, as it looks so closely like s490.

Thanks again for the help.
Dinio

Re: Maker and origin of this Box ?

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:23 pm
by Theoderich
the Problem in the Encyclopedia is - some of the marks (Zwickau,Liegnitz,Wertheim) are also Hanau pseudo-marks.

there are some Liegnitz Hallmarks from about 1680-1700
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and You are right Neresheimer and Glaser used the same "Bamberg"-Hallmark
but also the same "Liegnitz" Hallmark
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