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18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:05 am
by Granmaa
Can anyone identify these four marks? The spoon seems to have been later gilded.

Miles

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Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:37 pm
by oel
Hello Miles,

Perhaps top from left to right: crowned lion rampant for the province control mark, makers’ mark (?) Bottom left to right: date letter (?) Andreas- crosses crowned (?) for Amsterdam.
Pseudo/ fake marks? I am not sure wait and see what the others say.

Regards,

Oel

Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:00 pm
by Margaux
The spoon and the hallmarks look quite genuine to me. I do own an almost Identical spoon also made in Amsterdam in 1685 with the makers mark IA. But the makers mark is different from yours.
My spoon was once part of the collection of Uitterwaall and attributed tot Jurgen Arents.
Your spoon looks like it was made in 1683 in Amsterdam by another maker and maybe Julius Acker is an option, but I don´t have a picture of his hallmark.

Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:45 pm
by Granmaa
Thank you both very much for your thoughts.

Miles

Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:07 pm
by Margaux
Can you also post a picture of the backside of the stem because replicas are often quite different from the 18 century spoons.

Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:53 am
by Granmaa
Hi Margaux,

Here is a photo of the back. Can you please tell us the differences in stems between replicas and originals?

Miles

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Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:43 am
by Margaux
Hello Miles,

Many of the replicas spoons have stems which are flat, not very well finished at the backside. Your spoon is also elegant and almost identical on the backside with my spoon. I´m sure yours is also a genuine antique spoon with the figure having the symbols for peace.

Geert

Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:20 pm
by oel
Hi,

Just a thought. Would it not make more sense if the hallmarks were punched in a vertical row on the stem of the spoon. Instead of on the bowl? Or was it perhaps common practice in the 18th century to have the hallmarks punched like we see on the spoon. Also the date letter looks a bit odd to me and are the Adreas-crosses with or without a Crown?

Kind regards,

Oel

Re: 18th Century Dutch Spoon

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:11 am
by oel
Hi,

Herewith I partly answer my own question. It was not uncommon to have the marks punched on the spoon bowl. Please compare the marks of an Enkhuizen spoon and Amsterdam with the smirched odd looking marks on your spoon. We also know that during the end of the 19th century plenty of replicas were made for the British market.
Those replicas were much better made than the one offered today at eBay.

A Dutch silver gilt spoon.
Made in Enkhuizen, 1751.
Length 7.5" (19cm). Weight 1.89 Troy oz (59gr)
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Meesterteken Jacobus van Resant, Amsterdam, jaarletter 1724

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Kind regards,

Oel