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l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:21 am
by nigel le sueur
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This makers mark is on a pair of cast sugar tongs, so would date this maker between 1760 - 1784, l am fairly sure it is a London maker (Lion). One name is John Touliet, as he was entered his mark in April 1784, other small workers James Tookey and John Tayleur, both seem to have pellets.
Any ideas welcome
Thanks
Nigel

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:30 am
by Granmaa
Hi Nigel,

Could you post a clearer photo of the lion? It looks provincial, but I'd like to be sure.

Miles

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:44 am
by nigel le sueur
Hi Miles
Will do, the article you wrote on the Exeter Lion is excellent, l am surprised l have not seen it
Nigel

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:00 am
by nigel le sueur
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Miles
Hopefully this will suffice, if this pair are provincial then that will be a bonus, as l brought them as scrap because they were broken.
Nigel

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:36 pm
by Granmaa
Thank you for the photo. Now I don't think it is provincial, but the lion doesn't sit easily with me. I would have expected cusping on the bottom of the cartouche.

Miles

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:43 am
by spobby
I had a pair of cast sugar tongs (sold recently) with an overstruck Hester Bateman mark of 'IT', which I made to be, possibly, John Tweedie.
Just thought I'd throw that one in.
Regards
John

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:13 am
by nigel le sueur
Miles and John
Thank you both for your help, John, Tweedie would off been a good candidate for the date, but his mark had a pellet (Grimwade 1709) Miles l have looked and cannot find a maker with IT in any provincial maker, although my resources for this are not by any means exhaustive, the mark of John Touliet does (Grimwade 1710) does seem a fair match so l am going to go for that option of course a very tentative one, although the maker may not be certain, l am glad l have rescued them from the smelters pot to add to my collection, albiet they have been repaired.
On a different note the amount of silver at auctions being weighed just for the scrap value is sad, we are losing a lot of flatware and history, very short sighted.
Nigel

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:43 pm
by Granmaa
Nigel,

I couldn't agree with you more regarding the scrap situation, although it has become a little better following the recent drop in price.
It would be interesting to have a list of every item melted down at just one refiner's over the course of a month.

Miles

Re: l T ? Cast Sugar Tongs

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:47 pm
by spobby
I see also James Tookey with the pellet, but even so, 'IT' is a very deliberative subject. For the record - this was the mark I had .. , which I sold as Image.
Regards
John