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Helo with Nice Box

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:27 pm
by prezes_krkk
Hello
I have this nice box can you please help me id the marks?

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Re: Helo with Nice Box

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:42 pm
by Hose_dk
this sugar box is from Hamburg

Re: Helo with Nice Box

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:55 pm
by Theoderich
Image
an other mark of Heinrich Diederich Schmeckpeper
Letter A ca. 1840

Re: Helo with Nice Box

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:39 am
by Theoderich
a information from a friend:

Shown is here the little version of Hamburg' warden mark ,A' - of the period 19 April 1828 - 30 August 1851 - Warden: Jacob Nicolaus Wilhelm Schäffer.

The case was made in the workshop of the concession-holder '46' (lozenge mark with '46'). Concession-holders were gold- and/or silversmiths which haven't had an own master-workshop; both were limited in Hamburg. A concession-holder wasn't permitted the direct production or sale to the public. They were a kind of subcontractors. Theirs production was sale only via registered master-workshop; in this case via Hinrich Diederich Schmeckpeper.

Concession-holder '46' was NICOLAUS HINRICH WOHLERS. His concession he has got on 29 August 1831, it seems to have got them first as a Goldsmith. From 1835 until 1844 he is noticed as a concession workshop with two to three additional journeymen. He is born on 12 May 1801 in Billwärder, a rural northern area of Hamburg Township [since 1395]. N.H. Wohlers got citizenship of Hamburg on 11 May 1832 as a Gold- and Silversmith. After the decease of the Hamburg Gold- and Silversmith' Guild he became in 1865 member of their new founded Corporation. He is in 1869 noticed in the towns Address guide.

Re: Helo with Nice Box

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:45 am
by prezes_krkk
Thanks Very Much, Can you give the name of the book you have it from?

Re: Helo with Nice Box

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:40 pm
by Theoderich
there are two books

Wolfgang Scheffler
Goldschmiede Niedersachsens
Daten Werke Zeichen
(I) Aerzen-Hamburg/ (II) Hameln-Zellerfeld 1965
Walter de Gruyter & Co - Berlin

and
Erich Schliemann,
Die Goldschmiede Hamburgs, Band II
Hamburg 1985