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Bit of a mystery to me
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:55 pm
by silverstork
Im kind of lost with the stamps on this sauce boat.
Maker is AMC Angelique Marie Coulon from 1807.
Stamp of rooster with 1
Stamp of ornated E with a wreath
Portrait of woman with P, which i read is only used from 1793 to 1798?
So, according to this, there should be something wrong with the hallmarks possibly?
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Re: Bit of a mystery to me
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:56 pm
by silverstork
Re: Bit of a mystery to me
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:08 pm
by dognose
Hi Silverstork,
Should it help, some more information on the 'Crowned E' mark can be found here:
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... 48&t=15374" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Trev.
Re: Bit of a mystery to me
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:22 pm
by silverstork
Hi dognose, thanks a lot. So the E is a belgium import mark from 1814 till 1817. I bought the piece here in Belgium.
Greets
Re: Bit of a mystery to me
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:03 am
by JayT
The head of a Greek woman also called “la petite Marianne” was an unofficial assay mark. This mark was used by makers after the suppression of the French guilds in the post-revolutionary period to try to maintain their credibility in the eyes of the public. As it was an unofficial mark, some makers continued to apply it into the turn of the century. I don’t see any problem with the marks on this sauceboat.
Re: Bit of a mystery to me
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:09 pm
by oel
E Crowned with a Laurel wreath; Import & Duty mark of the Southern Netherlands 1814-1842
This mark has been used in the present Belgium until March 1st 1832, in the assay offices Maastricht and Luxemburg until March 1st 1842, in the Roermond office until March 1st 1832 and afterwards again from 1839 until 1842.
Back to our E with Laurel wreath; E =étranger=foreign. This mark does not give any guarantee of a precious metal standard of fineness. This mark has been used on metal with a 250 minimum gold or silver content as a duty mark. The mark was destined for all imported, unmarked and invalid marked objects of foreign, national and unknown origin. During the 1814 and 1815 transition period, Napoleon’s defeat at Leipzig preluding the end of the Kingdom of Holland, this E Crowned with Laurel was also struck on new objects which still have been made to the French 800 silver standard of fineness. Upon the invalidation of the hallmarks of the French Empire in 1815, the mark was also used as tax free census mark. Please note; the small mark of the Northern Netherlands, the flowered V= vreemd = foreign, was also used in the Southern Netherlands 1817-1832
In 1830 the Belgium Revolution and in July 1831 the forming of the Kingdom of Belgium with own hallmarks of the Kingdom 1st of March 1832, during this period of turmoil some confusion about correct marking of silver & gold may have occurred.
About ‘la petite Marianne’ , am I correct we can find an image of her in Marc Rosenberg’s IV band Ausland # 6558,6559,6560,6562, 6563? # 6561 looks like petite Poly
Oel