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Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:17 pm
by EVM
Hi Everyone,
I have this beautiful cup and I've figured out that it's Russian. I'm having a hard time figuring out the Hallmark. Does anyone recognize it?
Thank you,
Ryan
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:19 am
by Qrt.S
What is the problem with the hallmark Ryan? A clear fine mark of assayer Anatoly Artsybashev 1888-1898 in Moscow. The maker's mark on the other hand is a problem because it is a bit unclear. I could be ПМ and in that case possibly Pjotr Miljukov 1877-1912 but ?
You have a nice vodka cup called СТОПКА (stopka) or a beaker called СТАКАН (stakan) depending on its size. A vodka cup is a smaller one....even in Russia :-))))
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:21 am
by Zolotnik
Hi all -
I have my doubts about this stakan (beaker) and the proposed maker. In my opinion neither the marks nor the engraving are as they should be. This typical "Russian" pattern you find often on copies - look for the unprecise engraved edges, details and symetry etc.
The maker Miljukov was at that time very famous and known for his high quality work. I enclose an authentic object from him and his mark.
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:34 am
by Zolotnik
Hi all -
an other example of Miljukov´s markmanshift and his marks - a large Niello spoon. Note the precise pattern...
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:08 pm
by EVM
Thanks everyone for helping me out! I'm rather new at this and I've recently acquired a couple different pieces. I really appreciate the help. Is there anyone interested in looking at my other pieces?
Thanks,
Ryan
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:16 am
by Qrt.S
Yes of course there is. Please do show them as well as sharp close-ups of the marks. Then we can enjoy and identify the beauty of Russian
silver. However, kindly open a new thread for every object you show.
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:59 pm
by EVM
I will. Thank you!
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:31 am
by Zolotnik
Hi EVM (antiqueorchard)-
how´s the weather in Boise? As a dealer you should not use this forum for your business ! Just try to be more honest!
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Beautiful Russian Silver Cup. Tricky Hallmark.
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:32 am
by piette
Hi all,
I have to agree with Zolotnik here - I'm not too sure about this stakan. To me the engraving doesn't look good enough to be by Milyukov, and I don't think the mark looks a great deal like Milyukov's either but this is just my opinion.
All the best,
P
