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Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:54 am
by juliany
Can any one help with this makers mark which to me look like B.И .

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Many thanks
Julian

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:35 am
by Zolotnik
Hi juliany -

here is the maker, wellknown and successful
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Ivavanow, Wasilii Iwanowitsch
Moscow 1870-1908
Source: PL, p 211

Regards
Zolotnik

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:07 pm
by juliany
Zolotnik

Many thanks for that

You mention "Source: PL, p 211" what is that ?

regards

Julian

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:47 pm
by Zolotnik
Hi juliany -
it is the bible of Russian hallmarks - Postnikova Loseva - unfortunately out of print.

regards
Zolotnik

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:18 pm
by Qrt.S
The strangest town mark for Moscow I have ever seen on an object from that period...???

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:30 am
by numis.geneve
I was about to ask the same thing , I thought these type of marks look more like late 18th century early 19th, totally confused

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:25 am
by Qrt.S
Something is not in place with this pitcher. I suspect it is a "russificated" object. It needs to be more carefully investigated before saying anything more...

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:25 am
by numis.geneve
I have a similar looking Austro-Hungarian pitcher from the 1840's , the hallmarks are in the same places, colour is also very similar. I am not an expert but it seems to me the drawing was added later on an undecorated pitcher, and the hallmarks were overstruck so hard that it actually made a hole

Re: Unknown makers markB.И

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:59 am
by juliany
Just to give you a bit of back ground, it was give to me in 1967 as "christing gift" by Ostroróg at his home in Kadalee, Instambul.



Apparently tradition was to give something very old. I believe the Ostroróg family were Polish.

Julian

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:27 am
by huszas76
Hello numis.geneve!
Is it possible to share with us this austro-hungarian item, or the marks?
Best regards!
Krisztian

Re: Unknown makers mark B.И

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:33 pm
by numis.geneve
Dear Krisztian, unfortunately the jug I was talking about is in my apartment in another country at the moment, however I will post some Austro-Hungarian silver that I have here, including another similar but bigger Jug from Stefan Mayerhofer, JCK brush and an unidentified ladle.
I will post it under - Other countries