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Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:41 am
by AngusAardvark
I have these three spoons.

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The upper two appear identical and have the same marks.

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ie. Made by INT in 1894 (town not known) while the other has

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so it lacks the Swedish crowns unless they are in the worn patch before the makers mark and the letters R3 would make these much older if they are Swedish.

Is this a very common pattern used over a long period of time?

Re: Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:09 am
by dognose
Hi Angus,

I future posts please remember that only one item per topic is permitted, otherwise confusion will reign.

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Re: Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:46 am
by Qrt.S
INT is Jacob Niclas Toftén i Visby on the island of Gotland 1881-1907

The other spoon is more difficult. Show a picture were the all marks are in the same picture. The town mark is missing and there are too many suitable maker's marks to pic from. Some times a too much magnified close-up causes difficulties like in this case.

The pattern is an old European rococo pattern in Sweden called "gammalfransk" (old French) but in France and generally it is called "palmes suédois

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Re: Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:26 pm
by AngusAardvark
My digital microscope has a minimum setting of 30 times magnification so hence the multiple pictures. There is always overlap but I guess one does not not always get the proper impression. Here's a photo with my camera zoomed right in on macro. Perhaps I should be doing this on all but the smallest marks.

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Re: Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:31 pm
by AngusAardvark
Fascinating how terms with country names can go both ways.

Qrt wrote "The pattern is an old European rococo pattern in Sweden called "gammalfransk" (old French) but in France and generally it is called "palmes suédois"

It's as if both are denying responsibility.
Not that palms grow all that we in Sweden generally.

Re: Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:02 am
by Qrt.S
Much better, thank you. About the pattern, yes it is a bit funny but in those days there were no copyright rules, so....This pattern has, in addition, many variations all over Europe. Forgot to mention that it is also called "gammalfransk" in the other Nordic countries.

As to the maker the maker...It is still difficult without a town mark. It looks like M:F. or something similar. For the moment I have not managed to find a perfect match. The closest I have is M.F. The manufacturing year R3 is 1823 That would fit Magnus Fryberg 1817-1834 in Jönköping
but as said the lack of the town mark cannot guarantee this. If I find something more, I will revert to this case.

Re: Some Swedish spoons

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:15 pm
by AngusAardvark
Qrt.S wrote:That would fit Magnus Fryberg 1817-1834 in Jonkoping but as said the lack of the town mark cannot guarantee this.
My mother's and father's parents lived in Huskvarna so Jonkoping might fit.