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European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:20 pm
by Bron357
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Hi, I posted wrongly before I'm sorry.
I'm trying to identify the origin of a large 146 piece canteen of 800 Silver.
I thought it was German but the hallmark of a crown with an "e" below doesn't match.most of the pieces also have a different number on them as well.
The knifes are marked on their blades "Garantie Solingen" "Rostrei"
It is in a lovely quality wooden and glass canteen box. Is anyone able to identify which country this came from. Many thanks.

Re: European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:54 am
by oel
Hi,

I believe it could be Swiss but wait for other, better reactions.

Best,

Oel.

Re: European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:02 am
by AG2012
Hi,
It is Romania mark (the crown) used after 1926.
Take a look here:
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34902
Depending on the position of the notches in the cartouche (background) one can determine the period,either 1926-1937, or 1937-1949. Letter under the crown is assay office. Unfortunately, most of them have not been identified (e.g. letter A was for Bucharest).
Regards

Re: European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:15 am
by AG2012
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Re: European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:27 am
by Bron357
Hi, thanks very much. Romanian, well that's exotic sounding! I'm wondering if the 33 is for 1933? And would "AG" be a makers mark? And perhaps the numbers, which are all different, is the production item number ie every piece they made, they allocated a number. It is a lovely canteen, the pattern and engravings are well executed.

Re: European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:03 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Romanian silversmiths (``AG``) are not well documented. There are more data on silversmiths working in ex Austria-Hungary regions that were incorporated into Romania after WW I. Military orders and decorations in enamel made by Joseph Resch Fils, Bucharest are well known. Number ``33`` cannot be attributed to year 1933, either (as far as I know).Try to identify the position of three notches for more precise dating. As for struck numbers, all being different, they are factory inventory or serial numbers.
Regards

Re: European 800 Silver Cutlery ID help please.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:03 am
by Qrt.S
The two notches are on the right side (on the screen) in the same line with the C-mark below Stefan the Great's crown indicating standard 800/1000 fineness. However, the "800" mark is not a Romanian mark. I believe it is added later in an other country.
The Romanians had between 1926-1937 six assay offices A, C, N, O, P and L of which A was for Bucharest and L for Munteina. Unfortunately there are no information available that could tell what locations the other letters represented. If somebody knows it, I would be very happy to know them. Thank you in advance.