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Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:58 pm
by Lucent1123
I have a cup from 1745 that I am trying to obtain some information on. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:27 pm
by Lucent1123
Should I be concerned with the markings on this beaker?

Thanks

Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:28 pm
by Ubaranda
Moscow, the maker is Grigoriy Lakomkin (Григорий Лакомкин - ГЛ), the assayer is or Afanasiy Rybakov (Афанасий Рыбаков - AR) or Anisim Kuzmin (Анисим Кузьмин - АК).

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Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:35 pm
by Lucent1123
Thank you...another post the person thought the marks looked suspicious.....if real it js a neat find.....

Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:30 pm
by Goldstein
Hi -

I have some serious doubts. Neither style nor technique fit in the timeframe. Only the marks look old....
Here some originals from that time:

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and the dubious object

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source: coll. Goldstein

Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:58 pm
by Lucent1123
Are any of the makers marks for the piece I have know to be commonly forged? Just trying to figure out if I should return this item....

Thanks

Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:19 am
by AG2012
Suspicious marks and inconsistent style.
St George mark is very suspicious (compared with another 1745). Both the image and the sharpness.
Ш and inverted C are impossible. It`s obviously not Ш Э. And it`s not script T to be interpreted as CT. After all, what`s this additional initial mark if there are maker`s mark and the assayer?
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Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:47 am
by Qrt.S
I'm as well a bit suspicious. The town mark's frame on the cup seems to have a rounded upper end. In 1745 the the frame is rectangular. Where from did you get the year 1745? Could it be 1742? This year's frame has a rounded top? In addition, as Goldstein and AG2012 already pointed out, the style is a bit odd. The inverted Ш exists only i script (Latin T). Maybe someone made a mistake trying to make the cup looking "old" with old marks and letters---? Too many question marks here.... If possible, return it. That's what I would do.

Re: Hallmark Request from mid 18th Century

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:48 am
by Lucent1123
I am reaching out to the dealer now..... thanks for the info. As for the 1745 date that was what I was told it was....

Appreciate the assistance.