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Need help in id'ing the crest

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:18 am
by iindica
Hello,

I was referred to this forum for crest identification. Thank you for your help and time.
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Regards,

Re: Need help in id'ing the crest

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:11 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Engraved heraldic colors (tinctures) are depicted with lines in various directions and dots.
Lower left shield here is called ``azure or bend`` (blue, ``or`` - gold In French).
There was a famous dispute in late 14th century regarding this heraldic shield.
http://www.medievalists.net/2009/05/the ... 1385-1391/
More heraldic symbols and shields were added through marriages and acquired peerage.
Birds ``close`` are on gold, buckles and lion? on blue (azure).
Lion, as depicted here, is questionable, though. Cannot tell if ``lion passant`` at all, right fore paw is not raised.
That`s all I can tell, hopefully something to start with.
Regards

Re: Need help in id'ing the crest

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:04 pm
by iindica
Thank you. I should have also mentioned that this is stamped along with other hallmarks that trace the item to 1763 London Assay Office (see pic below). Also, I think it's not a Lion but a dog.

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Re: Need help in id'ing the crest

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:28 pm
by agphile
Heraldry is not really my thing but I see that a talbot (heraldic hound) between 3 buckles on an azure ground has been associated with a family named Carter. This might be the origin of one half of your shield.

Re: Need help in id'ing the crest

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:59 pm
by nobilityhouse
On the viewer's left is the husband VYNER. On the viewer's left is the wife CARTER. (The dog is called a talbot). Eleanor, the widow of Anderson and the daughter of Thomas Carter, of Bassavern, in Denbighshire, Esq. remarried on 5 May 1761, Robert Vyner, of Gautby, in Lincolnshire, Esq. Her son by her first marriage became the 1st Baron Yarborough. I think this is her coat of arms on one of her pieces of silver. Kind regards.

Re: Need help in id'ing the crest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:57 pm
by iindica
Thank you nobilityhouse and agphile. I am amazed to see the collective knowledge here. To be honest, I have been working on agphile's lead (Carter) and still couldn't figure it out (checked a few books on archive.org on heraldry). The complete attribution provided by nobilityhouse is simply awesome.

Regards,