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Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:56 am
by fripou
Hello
I just bought a lovely, big and heavy 1825 London butter knife.
There is a M under the Leopard's head.
Can you please tell me what it stands for ?
The silversmith is WS ; I think it is William Sumner I
Can you please confirm?
Thank you very much
Fripou
![Image](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/fripou/argenterie/5793411B-1F72-4B97-A09A-048B1B26BD1F_zpshyvjxkst.jpg)
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:36 pm
by silvermakersmarks
I see what you mean about an M and I have to say that I have never seen anything similar before. However I think that it is more likely to be a flaw in the punching (not on the punch itself), although I don't know enough about how the process was actually done to suggest how it might have occurred.
I think that WS is more likely to have been William Schofield, registered as a spoonmaker 10 Nov 1820. William Sumner I is believed to have died in 1807.
Phil
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:04 pm
by AG2012
Hi,
A flaw in the punching and imagination.
Besides, this cannot be the first example ever recorded (as far as I know).
Regards
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Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:05 pm
by fripou
Thank you so much for the quick answer and for correction the name of the silversmith !
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:48 am
by dognose
Hi Fripou,
Is it possible to capture a real high definition close-up of the mark?
Trev.
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:31 pm
by fripou
Which one?
Leopard?
silversmith.?
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:00 pm
by dognose
Hi Fripou,
The Leopard's Head with the possible mystery 'M'.
Many thanks.
Trev.
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:39 am
by fripou
Sorry for the very late reply
here are two pics of the head
what I mistook for an M is actually just a little line....
François
![Image](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/fripou/DSCF0532%20-%20copie_zpswoquason.jpg)
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:46 am
by dognose
Hi François,
Many thanks for posting the extra images.
It does appear to be a result of a cracked punch, or some debris becoming attached to the punch at the time of striking.
Trev.
Re: Letter under the Leopard's head
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:04 am
by fripou
Yes, so it deos !
THank you so much, Trev