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Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:56 am
by fripou
Hello
I just bought a lovely, big and heavy 1825 London butter knife.

There is a M under the Leopard's head.
Can you please tell me what it stands for ?

The silversmith is WS ; I think it is William Sumner I
Can you please confirm?

Thank you very much

Fripou

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Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:36 pm
by silvermakersmarks
I see what you mean about an M and I have to say that I have never seen anything similar before. However I think that it is more likely to be a flaw in the punching (not on the punch itself), although I don't know enough about how the process was actually done to suggest how it might have occurred.

I think that WS is more likely to have been William Schofield, registered as a spoonmaker 10 Nov 1820. William Sumner I is believed to have died in 1807.

Phil

Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:04 pm
by AG2012
Hi,
A flaw in the punching and imagination.
Besides, this cannot be the first example ever recorded (as far as I know).
Regards
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Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:05 pm
by fripou
Thank you so much for the quick answer and for correction the name of the silversmith !

Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:48 am
by dognose
Hi Fripou,

Is it possible to capture a real high definition close-up of the mark?

Trev.

Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:31 pm
by fripou
Which one?
Leopard?
silversmith.?

Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:00 pm
by dognose
Hi Fripou,

The Leopard's Head with the possible mystery 'M'.

Many thanks.

Trev.

Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:39 am
by fripou
Sorry for the very late reply

here are two pics of the head

what I mistook for an M is actually just a little line....


François


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Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:46 am
by dognose
Hi François,

Many thanks for posting the extra images.

It does appear to be a result of a cracked punch, or some debris becoming attached to the punch at the time of striking.

Trev.

Re: Letter under the Leopard's head

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:04 am
by fripou
Yes, so it deos !

THank you so much, Trev