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hi can you help date this? think it’s sheffield mark
someone has painted this lovely ice bucket will take me a while to carefully remove all the paint hope you can help me date this and perhaps put a maker to it too

ice bucket!! dam auto correct

Definitely not Sheffield silver as the marks are all wrong, and it's therefore probably not even silver as there are no fineness marks.

Phil

Hi,

That's a set of pseudo marks we've seen several times on the forum. They belong to a yet to be identified American silver-plate manufacturer.



Trev.

but there is a lion mark does this not mean silver?

that’s a bit misleading lol well maybe not worth my time cleaning it up then

The lion passant only means it's silver if applied by an English assay office. There is nothing to prevent anybody from anywhere else in the world from using a lion passant mark to deceive the unwary.

Phil

I started collecting silver folding fruit knives, both British and American, about a year ago. I quickly learned that, especially in the first half of the nineteenth century, it was quite routine for American silversmiths to use British hallmarks on their wares, including the lion rampant or a Queen Elizabeth "duty mark." One of the major producers of silverware, Albert Coles, was known to do this on a regular basis. The best that I've been able to determine is that they did this a) because, in the absence of international agreements in that era, they could with impunity; and b) the British hallmarks conveyed an impression of greater value to the products.

Search ref: Lion Guardant in oval.

Hi, did you manage to find out what hallmarks it is and what material the item is? I also found this hallmarks similar ...