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London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:06 am
by emilgaigns
Hello. Can someone help me identifying these hallmarks?

I think it is William&Mary period silver.

Seems like a fruit basket , date looks like 1691, but I couldnt find the makers mark.

Thanks


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Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:12 am
by emilgaigns
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Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:26 am
by MGArgent
Hi,

Sorry I can't help with the maker's mark but have you considered this might be 1682? To me, this date mark looks similar to a partial "e"

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Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:29 am
by MGArgent
One more possibility would be 1684.

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Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:34 am
by MGArgent
The maker appears to be Samuel Hood.

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Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:35 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Date letter looks like g for 1684 and Samuel Hood was registered a decade later.
Too good to be true.
Regards

Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:37 am
by MGArgent
Sorry for so many replies on this thread, I think next time I will take a few minutes longer to research before posting!

My final opinion on the date mark is London 1695.

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Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:58 am
by emilgaigns
You are right. Seems more like 1695. Hallmark is definitely Samuel Hood.


AG2012 why do you say it is too good to be true?

Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:10 pm
by MGArgent
When a date mark is inconsistent with a maker's registration date, it is often a red flag for forgery. Since I had originally identified the date mark erroneously as 1684 and noting that Samuel Hood wasn't registered until 1694, the inconsistency would indicate the item could be a forgery.

Now knowing that the date mark is actually 1695, the date aligns with Samuel Hoods registration and shouldn't raise any concerns.

Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 pm
by emilgaigns
I understand.

I forgot to mention the dimensions.

Base is 13cm diameter, upper part is 20cm in diameter.

Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:20 pm
by silvermakersmarks
In fact we do not know when Hood's mark was registered as there are no extant records available for pre-1697 registrations. The dates "1694..1695" quoted in the image above, taken from my web site, are meant to indicate dates for which I have seen the mark as I explain on the site's home page.

I am also sure the date letter is "s" for 1695.

Phil

Re: London silver 1691?

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:50 pm
by MGArgent
Apologies for using images without adding references above. The images I posted are from the http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk website.

Maker's mark: https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Mak ... SI.html#SH

Date marks:
https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Dat ... -1696.html