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Could you please help with rubbed hallmarks
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:07 am
by thursdayschild
Could you please help with hallmarks below. Please wait for the 2 seperate pictures to load. First one is entire spoon & detail, second one is hallmarks. They are a bit rubbed. Thank you for your time.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:30 am
by Granmaa
These marks look decidedly dodgy: everything is the wrong shape. Compare with this thread:
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4515
Is there a maker's mark?
Miles
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:45 pm
by dmay
These are most likely pseudo hallmarks for an American maker. I will consult my copy of John McGrew's book on American pseudohallmarks when I get home this evening, and hopefully will have some sort of answer then.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:08 pm
by dmay
Based on the marks shown in Mr. McGrew's book, this mark is attributed to Philo Gilbert, either on his own or in partnership as Gilbert & Cunningham, working in New York City from 1839-1850.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:27 am
by thursdayschild
I was really off base. Thanks everyone for your responses. I have a number of spoons and forks of this pattern and all the hallmarks are just as faded as this one.
Granmaa, No there are no other marks on the spoon.
Dmay, I appreciate the time you took to look this up and thank you so much for the information.
Thursdayschild
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:25 am
by wev
Take Mr. McGrew's attributions with a considerably larger measure of salt than the AMA would recommend for one's daily nutrition. Many of his judgements are based on nothing more then heresay and wishful thinking. While the piece is undoubtably of New York origin, There is no firm evidence whatever to connect these marks to Philo Gilbert or any partnership he was engaged in.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:01 pm
by finderskeypurs
Wev
I just ordered McGrew's book, are you saying some of the attributions are suspect?
What percentage do you think is accurate?
Thanks,
Tom
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:51 pm
by Trefid
This mark attribution has Don Soeffing's stamp of approval as well. He illustrates it on p. 48 of his SILVER MEDALLION FLATWARE (New York City: New Books, Inc., c1988) in connection with Philo B. Gilbert's MEDALLION pattern, calling it "Gilbert's early mark, circa 1859-65." Gilbert's "later mark" is also illustrated--the "S" and the man's head punches have been removed, leaving only the leopard crowned and the lion passant.
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