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Black velvet purse with decorated silver handle

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:54 am
by foreverdefaced
I have this black velvet purse and I have looked everywhere to find markings similar to what's on it. It's marked in 4 different places 1.On the back, 2.On the handle, 3.Inside the handle and 4.Inside the purse on a flap that separates the sections. Any help would be appreciated. I have lots of pictures so if these aren't good enough please I'll post more.

Here is a pic of the front of the purse
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Now for the markings

1.The back of the purse
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Markings on the back of the purse
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2.The Handle, it has markings on the inside and on the back
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Handle markings (inside)
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Markings going from top to bottom:

Unidentifiable marking and lion facing the right (inside)
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Clear marking of “3 GB” (inside)
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3.The back of the of the handle there are also markings
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And finally

4.The inside of the purse
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The location of the markings as I said are on the metal flap, the interior is a soft leather and at one time was attached but has recently come off. They are kind of hard to see so if you have any trouble seeing them I will try to take more pictures.

Starting from left to right
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These are close up views of some of the smaller markings
1. Same “3 GB” marking
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2.Same unidentified marking found on the inside of the handle
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Well that’s it in a nutshell, I would really appreciate any help out there in understanding exactly where this is from. Also if you are in need of more pictures please let me know, I have lots. Oh and if you want to see closer views of the decorated parts please let me know and I'll post them cause it really is beautiful. Thanks again.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:11 am
by Doos
Hi,

I tend to think it's a Groninger purse.
Not all marks make sense to me, it may be an assembled piece (some old, some not so old).

The lion-walking is the 833/000 mark for silver used between 1814-1953
What you read as the mark 3-above-GB in a square looks more like a 3-above-GR to me and indicates the makers mark of Gebr. Roelfsema who worked in Winseum (Groningen) between 1864-1910.

Remember that was also the era of al ot of pseudomarks, but to be sure you need someone to have a look at it.

Where around do you live?
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:08 am
by Doos
I did some digging and found out the following:
The Gebr. Roelsema firm was famous for his fakes and fake silvermarks.
They specialized in birthspoons, but apparently did purses aswell.

One of the marks (the A above an 8) is a documentated pseudo mark for the Groninger dateletter of 1774/1775 (no. 15 "valse zilvermerken in Nederland" - K.A.Citroen)
The 2 above a Z is the false dateletter of 1653-54 (no. 392).
The "malthezer cross" with the little crown is a fake makersmark (no. 463).

Treasure this item, good pseudo marks are hard to find and they are collected.

p.s.: could you clean the mark next to the lion .. that might be a dateletter or an essay office mark.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:18 am
by foreverdefaced
sure, I'll try cleaning it some and posting new pics this week. Thank you so much for your help and all the research that you've done. I was going nowhere trying to figure it out on my own. Again thank you thank you!!
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:23 am
by pepijn
Marks are indeed fake one's. This is typically a late-19th Century purse. These kinds of marks we also call Pseudo-marks, wich mean they are fake. One of the marks is meant to be the citymark of Groningen.
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:28 am
by JAKJO
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