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Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:16 pm
by madej
Hello .
The assayer is Nikolay Dubrovin (1822-1855 Moscow) Who will be the silversmith? At PL, such marks are #2961 and #2962, however, it only fits 2961 after the period of activity. Or is it someone else?
Regards
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:37 am
by Qrt.S
Kindly show the whole object. I'm a bit suspicious about it. It smells like fake...
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:05 am
by AG2012
No town mark at all ? Why is that ?
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:21 pm
by madej
Hi.
The snuff box is for sure real. I provide a photo of the mark of town (Moscow)
Regards
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:37 pm
by madej
Hello again.
So can it be said that it will be a silversmith in PL #2961 or do you know someone else?
Regards
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:46 am
by Qrt.S
First of all, it is of upmost importance to always show all mark and if possible also pictures of the object. Here you can see what might happen, when that is not done...!. Your new pictures change the situation completely because now the set of marks is complete. A missing mark is always a red flag!
Secondly, P#2961 mark differs quite a lot from the mark on your object, a centralized dot, different font.... I would not insist on the maker being Maksimov but you can assume it. Anyway, according to the text in P. he made cigarette cases, but ? I tried to find a suitable master, but unfortunately I didn't.
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:48 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Федор Максимов, мастер из Москвы (Fedor Maksimov, Moscow master).
Typical niello made by him in the thirties, 19th century.
Discussed on Russian forum; no doubt whatsoever.
Regards
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:24 am
by Qrt.S
@AG2012
OK hyvä juttu, se on sitten Maksimov. Postnikovan kuva on huono tai sitten Maksimovilla on ollut monta leimaa, mikä tietysti on täysin mahdollista.
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:26 am
by Qrt.S
Arghhh!!! Sorry AG2012
Same in English, OK fine, case clear . The picture in Postnikova is "bad" or Maksimov must have used several punches.
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:12 pm
by madej
Hi guys.
Thank you for your answer. I am glad that the silversmith has been confirmed.
Regards
Re: Silversmith ID-snuff box
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:49 pm
by AG2012
Dear Qrt.S,
There was an info by Trev in regard of London leopard`s head with distorted facial expression; the engraver was struggling with failing eyesight and was replaced.
I think it also worth noting, is the huge amount of punches that were supplied to the LAO by the engraver, in 1820 John Smith was recorded as supplying nearly 500 punches annually to the Company.
500 punches annually !
Of course, London was huge and busy assay office, but I am sure that main Russian assay offices must have had hundreds different punches. And individual silversmiths definitively had more than one punch.
Meaning, variations with marks are acceptable and legitimate if everything else is correct.
Have a peaceful night
