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Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:27 pm
by solo
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:09 pm
by Aguest
The green color and overall appearance has me thinking ::: Do you think this is made of Pewter and not Silver? ::: The hallmarks could be of a maker of Pewter objects. :::
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:39 am
by Qrt.S
In my eyes it looks a bit yellow here and there. That makes me think of silver plated brass (copper and zink).
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:41 am
by solo
so is silver 100%
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:25 am
by Qrt.S
Well, in that case, how do you know it is silver? I don't recognize the shown marks to be silver control marks, at least not European. But of course I could be wrong...
Why I assumed the base metal to be brass is that brass is affected from the oxygen and "water" in the air creating copper hydroxide and copper carbonate. That is the greenish tarnish on a brass object's surface. If we assume that your object is electroplated brass, the very thin silver surface has been worn out by use and that has exposed the base metal (brass) to air and tarnish it greenish. It is the same thing that happens to copper.
BTW.
Nothing except for silver ingots are 100% silver. It is not workable material. Even ingots are only 99,99% silver. Silver is always alloyed with some other metal, usually copper to make it workable. Therefore we have official country specific control marks to guarantee that nobody adds too much e.g. copper in the silver alloy.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:04 am
by oel
Looking at the threaded(?) stopper with a handle onto it. I believe it could be a pewter canteen/food holder perhaps to service the need of travelers or field workers.
Peter.
Pewter is a malleable metal alloy, traditionally 85 -95% Tin, with the remainder consisting of Copper, Antimony, Bismuth and sometimes, less commonly today, Lead. Silver is also sometimes used. Copper and Antimony act as hardeners while Lead is common in the lower grades of Pewter, which have a bluish tint. It has a melting point, around 338 – 446 F ( 170 – 230 C ), depending on the exact mixture.
Pewter was first used around the beginning of the Bronze Age in the Near East. The earliest piece of Pewter found is from an Egyptian tomb from 1450 BC. Pewters containing Lead are no longer used in items such as cups, plates, or jewelry ) that will come in contact with the human body due to health concerns stemming from the Lead content. Modern Pewters are available that are completely free of Lead, although many Pewters containing Lead are still being produced for other purposes.
Applications:
Pewter is used in decorative objects, mainly collectible statuettes and figurines, game figures, aircraft and other models, (replica ) coins, pendants, and plated jewelry.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:30 pm
by amena
Although these containers are usually made of pewter, the color makes me think it is bronze or brass.
I could be wrong, of course.
Best
Amena
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:51 pm
by Theoderich
I think it looks nice.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:13 pm
by dognose
It reminds me of a 'Dabba'.
See:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=38765&p=106095
Trev.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:51 pm
by AG2012
Badly neglected silver exposed to various acidic fumes in air and elements tend to oxidize in unusual way.
Clean it, please.
Regards
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:47 pm
by solo
This is what silver coins look like


what a tin object looks like


Checked with reagents, it is silver 100%
Please suggest the brand of the manufacturer.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:39 pm
by silverly
Nothing terribly useful to add, but why not clean and polish the item?
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:00 am
by solo
Tere is a photo of the silver stamp,
please tell me where the item is made?


Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:10 am
by Qrt.S
@Theoderic
Theoderich wrote:I think it looks nice.
Mind my asking, but what is "nice" in your opinion?
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:15 am
by Theoderich
Qrt.S wrote:
Mind my asking, but what is "nice" in your opinion?
I like it. It is this kind of silver I am looking for.
Ca. 1680-1700
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:18 am
by Qrt.S
@Theoderic
OK, but what makes you think it is silver? I cannot identify none of them indicating silver.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:37 am
by oel
Hi Solo,
Can you tell us more about its provenance? is it a family piece, or bought at auction or other, country location you obtained item, length and weight and please show us some more images of item taken apart, the stopper and handle.
Peter.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:41 am
by Theoderich
Qrt.S wrote:
OK, but what makes you think it is silver?
Yes it is.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:48 am
by Qrt.S
@Theoderic
??? Silver? Based on what? "Yes" is not an answer.
Re: Silver item 17-18th century
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:58 am
by oel
I also believe it could be silver., with so far unknown marks. More images and information about the item should help. Images taken in daylight.
Peter.