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Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:32 pm
by madej
Hello.
Unfortunately, the silversmith hallmark is not very readable, but does anyone recognize the silversmith anyway?Even if I wanted to look, I don't have access to literature at the moment.
The assayer is Ivan Sergeyevich Lebedkin from Moscow.
Regards
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Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 am
by madej
Hi.
Iknow it's hard to see, but do you have any suggestions?
Regards
Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:04 am
by Qrt.S
Pure guesses, but I reckon I see ЯЛ in the kokoshnik. That would be Jakov Lyapunov in St. Petersburg 1899-1904. It matches with the kokoshnik 1899-1908 for the year 1899. The maker's mark is morу difficult. It could be AH or АИ .or or.... but but but ????
Clean the marks and use a good magnifier and try again. Indeed difficult, pure guessings....
Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 am
by AG2012
Clean the marks as suggested and use the highest magnification to identify maker`s initials; are there two or three letters ?
Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:12 pm
by madej
Hi. Qrt.S
Hi. AG2012
As for the assayer, it is definitely Ivan Lebedkin, now you can see it better. The silversmith mark is still not clearly visible, but i see there are three letters.
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Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:50 pm
by Qrt.S
Yes it is Lebedkin Moskovasta. I cannot make out the maker's initials CM...? What do you see?
Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:55 pm
by madej
Yes i think the first letter is C
Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:24 pm
by madej
Hi.
Im writing again because it bothers me. In PL , I do not see any mark of silver from that period with three letters where the first is C. They do not mention anything in other sources?
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Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:28 pm
by oel
Perhaps helpful
Your mark cropped
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Your mark cropped rotated 180
Peter
Re: Enamel cigarette case
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:34 am
by madej
Hi.
Thanks, maybe now it will make it easier to identify.
Regards