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trefid spoon

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:01 pm
by legrandmogol
I don't mean to keep putting everything in the Dutch silver section but usually, my only lead has me lean this way. Anyway I recently acquired a beautiful old trefid spoon that is only marked with a makers mark which looks like a JR combined. It has what looks like a mirrored cipher engraved on the bowl. The rattail is also very tall. The best I can come up with is from my book on Frisian silver which has a similar but not the same mark for Joost Willems Rijsbeeck. I have since read that Jan Schipper believes that simple R mark in the book is not actually his mark. If anyone recognizes the mark or style of the spoon I would much appreciate it. I'm not holding my breath as I know these one mark pieces are difficult to identify

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Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 am
by oel
The trefid spoon; maker's mark JR in monogram/conjoined or stylized letter R(?). The spoon style and engraved decoration, it appears to be North German/Nordic. Certainly not Joost Willems Rijsbeeck nor Jacobus(Harmens) Raapsvelt.



Gratitude; Jan Schipper
http://www.zilverstudie.nl

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:09 am
by legrandmogol
Thanks, Peter, I didn't think so either but it was all I could think of. I don't think I've seen a Friesian trefid spoon before, at least not from the 17 century. This spoon will just end up with the other pieces of unknown origin I have. Maybe one day.

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:15 am
by Qrt.S
A shot in the dark!
Check Jesper Hansen Rust in Odense, Denmark 1679-1723

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:35 am
by oel
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The unknown maker's mark to compare.

Jesper Hansen Rust, maker's mark Odense Denmark 1679-1723 as shown by 2 auction sites;
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Unless he used another mark in a circular frame I have doubt.

Peter.

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:22 am
by Qrt.S
Jesper Rust used two marks. Unfortunately I am unable to show the other mark, but it is JR like this mark in a round shield without a year. Please see Danske Sølv Mærker Chr. A. Bøje: Provinsmestre Odense #2638 on page 237. In the text it is mentioned that Rust also made spoons among other objects.

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:59 am
by oel
Than it might be a possible match. Cheers.

Peter.

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:14 am
by Qrt.S
Yes and thanks, I said in the beginning that is "a shot in dark" in other words a possible match!

Re: trefid spoon

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:23 am
by legrandmogol
Hi, just seeing this, It looks like a good match to me. I'll see if I can find anything else on my own but this is probably the maker. Thank you so much. Just when I had little hope of finding anything.