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Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:56 am
by Atlas
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So, help would be appreciated with identifying the following Moscow maker's marks on the picture down below regarding the small (width 17cm) bowl in these pictures if you please.
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Best regards,
-Atlas-
P.s. I apologise the somewhat poor quality of the photos. I can try to take some better ones and post those here a bit later on.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:15 am
by Atlas
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A slightly better photo, at least partly. Moscow hallmark is clear in this one.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:13 am
by Mart
If the stamps are genuine, then I think they are around 1840.
I can't remember the name of a suitable silversmith starting with the letter "A" right away, but I'll try.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:52 am
by Atlas
The assay-master is Dutkin, active in Moscow 1838-1846.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:06 am
by Mart
The initials "НД" belong to the head of the assay institution Nikolai Dubrovin. I am interested in the initials of the silversmith.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:08 am
by Atlas
Ok. Thank you for your answer.
The maker's marks is my main interest also.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:28 pm
by Qrt.S
Interesting case, but could be him because Dubrovin's full name was НИКОЛАЙ ЛУКИЧ ДУБРОВИН. However, if Dubrovin punched НЛ, who punched НД in Moscow 1826. I have a photo of such a mark.

Re: Help with identifying Moscow maker's marks

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:41 pm
by Qrt.S
According to Postnikova #2104 Dubrovin's punch was НЛ but according to Ivanov it was НД (ref. Green Ivanov p. 609)So what is correct?