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question on hallmarks

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:13 pm
by Amenadiel
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k4fVqw ... sp=sharing

Hallo,
I have here a photo of a hallmark that is supposed to belong to Fabergé (cigarette case). Isn't there supposed to be also the imperial warrant?

Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:35 pm
by AG2012
Hi,
Unfortunately, marks are faked; HW is faked mark for Finnish goldsmith Henrik Immanuel Wigström who worked for Faberge. Also, faked Faberge mark or rather a poor imitation emerging from Chinese or Indian workshop; whoever made the punch was not familiar with Cyrillic alphabet but relied only on visual similarity. If you post the image of the cigarette case, I am sure there will be too many flaws inconsistent with Henrik Wigström perfection.
Regards

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Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:39 pm
by Amenadiel
Hi, thanks for your reply!
Hallmarks look indeed not as usual. Also, as far as I know Fabergé items are hallmarked with Fabergé only and not the individual work master or silversmith in addition (?). I added some photos of the cigarette box here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sTMOJZ ... sp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18lS70c ... sp=sharing

Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:35 am
by dognose
Please embed your images.

Trev.

Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:07 am
by Amenadiel
Hi, sorry. I forgot the embedding.
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Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:11 am
by AG2012
Hi,
It is a nice Art Deco guilloché cigarette case(possibly British, German or Austrian) with faked marks added to make it more lucrative. Imperial eagle is also newly made and attached to the case.
Subcontractor mark of Henrik Wigström beside Faberge mark is not an issue; it is seen on Faberge pieces.
Where are the marks ?
How is imperial eagle attached ?

Regards

Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:24 am
by Amenadiel
Hi,
I don't have specific information on the case.
I attach a photo of the eagle added to the case.

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Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 4:50 am
by AG2012
As said, a case is old and Russian marks, as well as the eagle, are newly made (faked) to deceive.
Regards

Re: question on hallmarks

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:36 am
by Qrt.S
A bit more info. AG2012 is right the markings are not only faked but also incomplete. Frankly said "junk". Anyway, as an answer to your "question", regarding Fabergé's marking procedure, only the following makers were allowed to punch their marks alongside with "ФАБЕРЖЕ's mark in St. Petersburg. They were: Henrik "Emanuel" Wigström (H.W.), Antti Nevalainen (A.N), Stefan Wäkevä (SW) (all Finns), Julius Rappoport (Cyrillic I.P.) and The first Silver Artel (Cyrillic ICA, or actually 1CA). All in all, the case maybe old and even partly genuine but the maker is ???