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Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:13 am
by vervenesilver
Hello everybody,
Can someone help me to identify this hallmarks please ?
Thanks !
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Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:14 pm
by dognose
Hi,
Please embed your images. Very few members will click on such links.
https://postimages.org (choose 'Share', then copy the 'Hotlink for forums' code) is recommended. Do not use Photobucket or Dropbox.
Trev.
Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:28 pm
by vervenesilver
Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:07 pm
by Aguest
::::: Very similar hallmarks have been posted here before and they are from Belgium. :::: hopefully oel will reveal more here soon. ::::
::::: The double-headed eagle was used as a symbol in many places around the world, even going back to ancient times, although it is mostly known for its Russian association, it appears in many other countries/empires/nations. :::::
Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:16 pm
by AG2012
Hi,
I think it is Liége, Belgium.The mark on the left is coat of arms of prince bishop Johann Theodor von Bayern,1744-1763; therefore well known Bavarian coat of arms.
Can you show us the whole item, please ?
Regards
Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:00 pm
by oel
Hi, indeed city hallmark Liège/Luik,
period 1744-1763, based on the coat of arms of the then reigning prince-bishop Johann Theodor of Bavaria, 10th March 1744- 27th Jan. 1763. Johann Theodor of Bavaria was a cardinal, Prince-Bishop of Regensburg, Prince-Bishop of Freising, and Prince-Bishop of Liège, died 1763.
The ancestral hallmark bears the two -headed eagle of the Holy Roman Empire, of which the Prince-Bishopric of Liège was part of. From 1622 a date was added beneath the eagle. Year letter
K for
1755.
The maker's mark
G.V above 5 pointed star under a crown attributed to;
Guillaume-Gaspar
Velez (1716-1769) his mark seen on coffee pot made 1750-1751, spoon made 1749-1750, bowl made 1757, spoon, fork made 1761.
Peter.
Source; Silver in Belgium 1500-1800, Piet Baudouin, Pierre Colman, Dorsan Goethals, page 181 and page 185 Liège / Luik, Belgische Zilvermerken R. Stuyk page 73
For Liège gold-silversmiths and year letters ; L’orfèvrerie civile ancienne du pays de Liège, 1991,( p. 38, 45, 55).
Gratitude DIVA, Antwerp Home of Diamonds Dr. Wim Nys I Hoofd Collectie & Onderzoek/Giacomo Visini I Bibliotheekmedewerker
Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:09 pm
by vervenesilver
Hello,
Thanks Aguest, AG2012 and Oel for your informations !
Here the photos of the item:
![Image](https://i.postimg.cc/KRFKFX36/14646.jpg)
Re: Real 18th Russian silver ?
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:30 pm
by oel
Hi Vervene,
Thanks for showing an image of the complete item. I have have added your image to my previous reply above.
Beautiful heavy silver sauce bowl in the Louis XV style, a Rococo style ca. 1740-ca. 1770. Shapes and decorations are not symmetrical. The decorations are often taken from nature; flowers, leaves, shells. Object and decorations are a whole; it seems that the objects are pushed up in a wavy movement.Impressive piece of Art, could you please tell us a little more about its provenance, the sizes and weight?
Peter.