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Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:39 am
by juantotree
Hi

Does anyone know the origin of these marks? They were difficult to photograph as they are so small.

Many Thanks
Martin

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Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:08 pm
by oel
Hi Martin, I believe I see, far right, the hallmark of Rome used 18/19th century, "crossed keys of St. Peter under a liturgical umbrella".
See; Marc Rosenberg Band IV/Ausland und Byzanz page 374 Lf.Nr. 7435
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Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:44 pm
by JayT
Hello
You have a French maker’s mark in a lozenge-shaped reserve for Crouvezier, and a French hare-head guarantee mark used 1819-1838. See below for full information:

https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopi ... er#p179780

Regards

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:26 am
by juantotree
Thank you both very much for the information. So these were made in Paris and subsequently imported to Rome and marked there?

Martin

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:28 am
by AG2012
It is 889/1000 (second standard). Not necessarily Rome of there is a letter code for provinces of Bologna, Ferrara, Forlì and Ravenna where the same marks were used.
I cannot tell if there is letter, though.
Regards

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Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:15 am
by JayT
Hello Martin
Yes, made in Paris, 1819-1838 by a well-known spectacles maker.
Regards.

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:44 am
by juantotree
Thanks to you all for your help. AG2012, I have had a good look with a loupe, I cant make out what it is but it does not look like a letter.

Martin

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:28 am
by amena
Try to post a focused photo of that mark, possibly taken with an additional lens.
If you don't have one of the ones they sell, you can make a self-made one very easily.
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Best
Amena

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:53 am
by juantotree
Thanks Amena, I will give it a try.

Regards
Martin

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:24 am
by juantotree
Ok, I have managed to get a better image of the mark (thanks Amena).

Still not sure what it is, a wine glass, pine cone? any thoughts?

Martin

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Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:07 am
by oel

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:50 am
by amena
As Peter says, it is the papal tiara over the crossed keys of St. Peter.
Your mark is strikingly similar to Rome's one, which has no letter under the keys.


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Note in particular the angled right infula.
It is likely that the clear part you see is just a difference in color and not a relief..
Best
Amena

Re: Help needed with marks on spectacles

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:26 am
by juantotree
Brilliant, thanks to everyone for your help.

Regards
Martin