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Hallmark ID-CUP

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:38 am
by madej
Hi.
There is no manufacturer's mark, only what is in the picture. Could it be Poland, or maybe Kiev, or something else at all? Judaica or rather not?
Dimensions:
Weighs-155gr
Heigh-15 cm
Regards

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Re: Hallmark ID-CUP

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:20 am
by Qrt.S
The marks are so insufficient that it smells fake in my nose, but ????? Try to find more marks.

Re: Hallmark ID-CUP

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:41 pm
by madej
Hi.
There are no other hallmarks. I bought the cup for
very little money as not silver, because it was so black that the marks were invisible. Of course, I was almost sure it was silver, but only after bathing and cleaning did the nice silver marks come out.
As for the authenticity of the cup, I have no doubts.
Regards

Re: Hallmark ID-CUP

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:49 am
by Juke*
Hi!

Without any more marks it is quite impossible to indicate the origin. Most likely from some of the small states in Germany or Eastern Europe etc.

Anyway clearly not from the Russian empire as the loth measurement is used.

Regards,
Juke

Re: Hallmark ID-CUP

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:57 am
by madej
Hi. Juke
What think about it 12loth
https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62279
Regards

Re: Hallmark ID-CUP

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:04 pm
by Juke*
By 'Eastern Europe' I defined that area to be included. As well known there didn't exist any Poland during the 19th century as that area was split between Prussia, Austro-Hungaria and Russia (since 1795 to 1918). The borders were also changed during the wars in the whole 19th century.

The markings in these areas and years are quite messy and different standards were use. As a whole can be said that in the Russian occupied area the Russian rules existed, however the 12 loth has been used in these areas by western silversmiths for instance the jews living there. The silversmith used the method to which he was customized to if applicable.

More geographically detailed is difficult to say if there are no more markings or any knowledge of the history of the object itself.