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Imperial Russian Mark - identification question

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:56 pm
by curi0usJ3n
Hello, I originally posted this under the world gold hallmark section, and someone suggested that the Russian experts may be able to help point me in the right direction. I'd appreciate any guidance that you may be able to offer on reading this 56 AP mark:

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The 56 mark is straightforward (14k equivalent), however I am at a loss of how to interpret the "AP". I believe this is the assayer's mark, and I've seen other examples attributed to either St. Petersburg assayer Alexander Romanov, Hall Inspector from 1899 - 1908, and also to an assayer from Astrakhan Assayer Anton Vasilijevitch Richter from 1899-1916.

Would greatly appreciate your thoughts - I understand if this is an Assayer, it is difficult to say with certainty unless the maker mark can also be identified.

Here is a photo of the ring in question in case anyone is curious:

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Thank you so much for your help!

Re: Imperial Russian Mark - identification question

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:06 am
by Mart
Hello! Perhaps there is not "AР", but "AB". Then this is the Kiev region. Perhaps the owner of the workshop is Shmul Barzhansky "ШБ" (the brand is inverted). The period 1899-1904 ..

Re: Imperial Russian Mark - identification question

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:26 am
by curi0usJ3n
Thank you very much for your reply, I really appreciate your time! I have tried to get clearer pictures: Using a loupe it doesn't look like a B; could it be possible the is a Cyrillic AP, therefore AR in roman letters?

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Re: Imperial Russian Mark - identification question

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:04 pm
by Aguest
::::: The two marks I assume are the assay mark and to the left of that is the makers mark (partially rubbed off) ::::::
::::: But should there be additional hallmarks? Should there be a Kokoshnik hallmark and a city mark for Kiev? :::::::

Re: Imperial Russian Mark - identification question

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:07 am
by Qrt.S
No kokoshnik here, too early. This mark was used before the kokoshnik was implemented. i.e. left looking with big figures 1899-> 1908. The assayer is Aleksandr Romanov (Cyrillic AP). Unfortunately the maker's mark is a smudge.
FYI!
Aleksandr Romanov never assayed in Kiev!

Re: Imperial Russian Mark - identification question

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:32 am
by Mart
Aguest wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:04 pm ::::: Should there be a Kokoshnik hallmark and a city mark for Kiev? :::::::
This type of state mark has been used since 1899. You see the product better, but I am not completely sure that the initials there are “AR” and not “AB”.
If there is "AР", then the region of St. Petersburg 1904-1908.
If there is “AB”, then the region of Kyiv 1899-1904.
There is a chance that it was made in Warsaw, but the chance is very, very small.
Good luck!