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Help wiith country of origin plz
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:21 pm
by Jeffstreasures
Re: Help wiith country of origin plz
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:58 pm
by Ubaranda
Hello!
I have the nice oriental box with the same mark and I also want to know its origin...
https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62945
Re: Help wiith country of origin plz
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:55 pm
by Damon
Hello
It is interesting that the same mark has surfaced twice recently.
It reads عمل جعفر, (?amal Jafer) or "made by Jafar". Could also be Jafary since the mark is well worn. This must be Persian or northern Indian.
There is a Persian silversmith named Jafary whose mark appears on the National Museum of Scotland site at
https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-colle ... ollection/
However, it is not the same mark as on these two pieces.
The figural representation on Ubaranda's piece with musicians and wine bearers has a strong Persian influence but the expected 84 purity mark is absent which makes me doubt Iran
The vine decoration on the tea set seems more Kashmiri. See examples at
https://silverfromindia1850-1920.blogsp ... shmir.html, Also a three piece tea set is most certainly colonial and, on that count, India is more likely than Iran
Jeffstreasures - I can't make out what is in the small rectangular stamp. Can you post a crisper image?
Hope this prompts further discussion
Happy New Year
Damon
Re: Help wiith country of origin plz
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:33 pm
by JanGroen
Damon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:55 pm
Hello
It is interesting that the same mark has surfaced twice recently.
It reads عمل جعفر, (?amal Jafer) or "made by Jafar". Could also be Jafary since the mark is well worn. This must be Persian or northern Indian.
There is a Persian silversmith named Jafary whose mark appears on the National Museum of Scotland site at
https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-colle ... ollection/
However, it is not the same mark as on these two pieces.
The figural representation on Ubaranda's piece with musicians and wine bearers has a strong Persian influence but the expected 84 purity mark is absent which makes me doubt Iran
The vine decoration on the tea set seems more Kashmiri. See examples at
https://silverfromindia1850-1920.blogsp ... shmir.html, Also a three piece tea set is most certainly colonial and, on that count, India is more likely than Iran
Jeffstreasures - I can't make out what is in the small rectangular stamp. Can you post a crisper image?
Hope this prompts further discussion
Happy New Year
Damon
The mark looks like a French Weevil mark with iv beneath it.
Jannie
Re: Help wiith country of origin plz
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:58 pm
by oel
French import mark, beneath the weevil perhaps a stylized letter N, symbol for the regional assay office Nice, used since 1838.
Source; International Hallmarks on Silver collected by Tardy page 201 France.
Peter.
Re: Help wiith country of origin plz
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:04 pm
by Damon
Thanks very much Jannie and Peter.
If I come across any helpful information on these two items, I will post
Damon
