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German silver fork
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:21 am
by DEVS
Hi guys!
Could be so kind to identify the producer of this silver fork? It was exported to Soviet Union and received local state hallmarks. Maybe somebody knows the model’s name.
Thank you.
Re: German silver fork
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:02 pm
by Qrt.S
Would you mind show some better pictures of the marks only. What can bee seen now is too many marks i.e from left German marks, Soviet maker's mark, a ??? mark and another Soviet mark (worker's head 1927-59).
BTW.
What makes you think it was exported to Soviet ??? (Soviet importing silver ?!) In my mind on the contrary exported to Germany, but??? Anyway, БЮ5 stands for Jewelry and Watch Factory in Baku 1955/65. Likely the manufacturer, but the rest is a mystery as for now.
Re: German silver fork
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:30 pm
by DEVS
Qrt.S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:02 pm
Would you mind show some better pictures of the marks only. What can bee seen now is too many marks i.e from left German marks, Soviet maker's mark, a ??? mark and another Soviet mark (worker's head 1927-59).
BTW.
What makes you think it was exported to Soviet ??? (Soviet importing silver ?!) In my mind on the contrary exported to Germany, but??? Anyway, БЮ5 stands for Jewelry and Watch Factory in Baku 1955/65. Likely the manufacturer, but the rest is a mystery as for now.
Thank you.
I am wondering more about German hallmark as the Soviet hallmarks were done later and all silver goods (including Russian silver before 1917) should be marked with Soviet hallmarks to be sold in any official second hand store. This fork was produced in Germany and I am interested to know the producer as I can not find this sign (half of the circle with a dot). I will try to make a better picture.
Re: German silver fork
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:58 am
by Qrt.S
A friend of mine informed me that the maker is Sauerland Gebrüder, Berlin. He also claimed that the fork actually would have exported to Soviet as you also claimed in the first place. I am, anyway, a bit doubtful but I revert to this if I manage to get more information. I have difficulties to understand that a soviet company would have imported silver !?
Re: German silver fork
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:03 am
by dognose
Re: German silver fork
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:00 pm
by DEVS
Qrt.S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:58 am
A friend of mine informed me that the maker is Sauerland Gebrüder, Berlin. He also claimed that the fork actually would have exported to Soviet as you also claimed in the first place. I am, anyway, a bit doubtful but I revert to this if I manage to get more information. I have difficulties to understand that a soviet company would have
imported silver !?
No, no. It does not mean that Soviet Union has imported silver objects from Germany. This fork can come to Russia with any private person, for example after WWII. But every object without Soviet hallmarks should be presented to the official state factory for the certification of the metal. Only with the official hallmarks it could be sold in the state second hand stores.
Re: German silver fork
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:02 am
by Qrt.S
OK, now we are talking. You are absolutely right that if a person in Soviet aimed to officially sell silver, it had to be remarked with Soviet marks. However, somehow the discussion "anticipated" that the spoon would have been exported to Soviet and I protested against that. No problem, case clear.