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Good morning everyone.
I am asking for help in identifying this allmark of this box.
Ottoman Empire?
Thanks to anyone who can help me!

Iran formerly Persia

Metal purity mark۸۴ 84 in Persian for 875/1000 parts silver.
Townmark and Maker's mark- silversmith's name in Farsi.
For more information see;
https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-colle ... ollection/

Peter.

Thanks Peter,
always kind and helpful.
In your opinion, is the era more late 19th or early 20th century?
Do you think there is a way to trace the silversmith or at least the city? Maybe I can ask the National Museum of Scotland whose interesting link you sent me?
Thank you

It looks like a cigarette box to me, maybe made in the fifties-early sixties in the city Kerman Persian كرمان. However I stand to be corrected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerman
Feel free to ask the National Museum, and please keep us informed.


Peter

Thanks Peter,
I tried to contact the museum, if I get an answer I will report it here.

a greeting

Hello

The city name is Isfahan but I can't make out the smith's mark.

The Kronfol collection was split between the National Museum of Scotland and the Musée des Beaux-Arts in Montreal,

I have just realized that the Musée des Beaux-Arts has posted a number of images with the names of some of the silversmiths although - frustratingly - there are no images of the stamps.

See https://www.mbam.qc.ca/fr/collections/?q=kronfol

Either institution might be able to assist

Please post any additional information you come across

Thanks

Damon

Thanks Damon, all clear, Isfahan is not mentioned in my source
The mark on the box, in question;

Isfahan in Persian اصفهان
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isfahan
Regards,

Peter.


Source; World Hallmarks Volume II, Asia, Middle East, Africa, Hallmark Research Institute

Hello Peter

I agree that the stamp does not bear a close resemblance to the crisp text which you have provided

The stamp on the article is more like صفها - missing the initial (on the right) letter ا which may have been worn off and with the final letter (on the left) ن positioned above the end of the word and just to the right of the ascending line.

There are a lot of liberties taken with the script and with wear sometimes only some letters are clear.

Perhaps I am mistaken in this instance but this is my assessment

Regards

Damon

Hi Damon,

On the contrary, maybe I expressed myself wrong, I had no doubts at all about your assessment. I agree with you. Isfahan it is, That's why I showed Isfahan, for comparison, in crisp Persian text.

Best wishes,

Peter.

Mijn misverstand

Damon

Peter, Damon thank you both for the valuable information.
I have not received a reply from the museum, in case I receive it I will report it here.
Thanks again

Update: The National Museum of Scotland has responded, firstly, after thanking him privately, I thank him publicly for taking the time to address my request.
It basically confirmed what you had already said :-)
Here is the text of the response and thank you all for your time.

In the image Screenshot_20240617_175649_Gallery the top hallmark gives the place - Isfahan. Below on the right, this seems to be the maker's mark. However, I don't know this name and have not come across it yet to guess it from what is legible. The mark on the left is 84 as you have already identified.