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Date and maker of cup
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:41 am
by AnthonyJH
Three images of a cup and the marks on it. Clearly Birmingham marks, the date letter may be 1913, but is there a later series it matches?
I think I can persuade myself the maker's mark is A J Zimmerman used from 1913 onwards, though it is very unclear. what do more knowledgeable people think?
Regards
Anthony
Re: Date and maker of cup
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:45 am
by AnthonyJH
Apologies, Makers mark looks like A & J Zimmerman (I implied one person not two in my original post and cannot see a way to edit it).
Re: Date and maker of cup
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 7:34 am
by silvermakersmarks
Hi and welcome to the forum. That is definitely a mark of A & J Zimmerman Ltd and it's most likely 1913. I have not found a way of distinguishing between the 1913 "o" and the 1938 "O" but Zimmermans went into liquidation in 1929. However I believe that whoever took the company over may have continued to use at least this version of their mark as I have seen it with dates up to 1940. So 1938 is still a possibility.
Phil
Re: Date and maker of cup
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:02 am
by AnthonyJH
Thank you for the amazingly prompt response.
Can you recommend an online reference to date marks post 1924?
Re: Date and maker of cup
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:29 am
by AnthonyJH
I have found a comparison of the 1913 o and 1938 O at
https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Dat ... s%20O.html
The earlier lower case o is more rounded than the later upper case O, so I think this item was assayed in 1938.
Re: Date and maker of cup
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:49 pm
by silvermakersmarks
Don't rely on my representations of the date letters - they are indicative only. Compare some actual hallmarks and see if you can decide how they differ:
1913:
1938:
And remember that for each year there were a number of punches created which might not all have been exactly the same.
Re: Date and maker of cup
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:39 am
by AnthonyJH
Thank you for the further comments.
Anthony