Could you please help with rubbed hallmarks

thursdayschild · Post by **thursdayschild** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:07 am

Could you please help with hallmarks below. Please wait for the 2 seperate pictures to load. First one is entire spoon & detail, second one is hallmarks. They are a bit rubbed. Thank you for your time.

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Post by **Granmaa** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:30 am

These marks look decidedly dodgy: everything is the wrong shape. Compare with this thread:
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4515

Is there a maker's mark?

Miles
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dmay · Post by **dmay** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:45 pm

These are most likely pseudo hallmarks for an American maker. I will consult my copy of John McGrew's book on American pseudohallmarks when I get home this evening, and hopefully will have some sort of answer then.
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dmay · Post by **dmay** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:08 pm

Based on the marks shown in Mr. McGrew's book, this mark is attributed to Philo Gilbert, either on his own or in partnership as Gilbert & Cunningham, working in New York City from 1839-1850.
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thursdayschild · Post by **thursdayschild** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:27 am

I was really off base. Thanks everyone for your responses. I have a number of spoons and forks of this pattern and all the hallmarks are just as faded as this one.
Granmaa, No there are no other marks on the spoon.
Dmay, I appreciate the time you took to look this up and thank you so much for the information.
Thursdayschild
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wev · Post by **wev** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:25 am

Take Mr. McGrew's attributions with a considerably larger measure of salt than the AMA would recommend for one's daily nutrition. Many of his judgements are based on nothing more then heresay and wishful thinking. While the piece is undoubtably of New York origin, There is no firm evidence whatever to connect these marks to Philo Gilbert or any partnership he was engaged in.
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finderskeypurs · Post by **finderskeypurs** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:01 pm

Wev
I just ordered McGrew's book, are you saying some of the attributions are suspect?
What percentage do you think is accurate?
Thanks,
Tom
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Trefid · Post by **Trefid** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:51 pm

This mark attribution has Don Soeffing's stamp of approval as well. He illustrates it on p. 48 of his SILVER MEDALLION FLATWARE (New York City: New Books, Inc., c1988) in connection with Philo B. Gilbert's MEDALLION pattern, calling it "Gilbert's early mark, circa 1859-65." Gilbert's "later mark" is also illustrated--the "S" and the man's head punches have been removed, leaving only the leopard crowned and the lion passant.
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