Thanks in advance.
Pictures of the tureen and the hallmarks are below: Thanks .
The Tureen
The Tureen Side
The tureen cover
The hallmarks
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1792 London Sauce Tureen - Partial Maker Hallmark Help
1792 London Sauce Tureen - Partial Maker Hallmark Help
I have a 1792 London Sterling Sauce Tureen. I need help identifying the maker. Also if anyone knows the style, what do the designs mean, etc. Any info about this piece would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
Pictures of the tureen and the hallmarks are below: Thanks .
The Tureen
The Tureen Side
The tureen cover
The hallmarks
.
Thanks in advance.
Pictures of the tureen and the hallmarks are below: Thanks .
The Tureen
The Tureen Side
The tureen cover
The hallmarks
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First and foremost, you have a wonderful piece there.
It's a pity that the first initial has been worn; I have looked all through Grimwade's but couldn't spot whose mark it could be. I will keep trying though.
For the style, I think the blurb would be: Sterling silver George III tureen of oval form with high loop handles, raised on an oval pedestal base.
The border might possibly be described as "feathered".
The large engraving is someone's coat of arms, and the smaller engraving is the crest (taken from the coat of arms).
Miles
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It's a pity that the first initial has been worn; I have looked all through Grimwade's but couldn't spot whose mark it could be. I will keep trying though.
For the style, I think the blurb would be: Sterling silver George III tureen of oval form with high loop handles, raised on an oval pedestal base.
The border might possibly be described as "feathered".
The large engraving is someone's coat of arms, and the smaller engraving is the crest (taken from the coat of arms).
Miles
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I think you're absolutely right Tom.
Grimwade says that Robert Sharp's mark has been cut down from the combined mark of Daniel Smith and Robert Sharp, and so you can still see the bottom of the DS. This is the case with the tureen's mark, and is very clear above the S.
I've included a picture of the partnership's mark which itself was cut down from a Richard Carter, D. Smith and R. Sharp mark.
Clearly it must have been expensive to have a new stamp made; much cheaper to file it down.
Miles
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Grimwade says that Robert Sharp's mark has been cut down from the combined mark of Daniel Smith and Robert Sharp, and so you can still see the bottom of the DS. This is the case with the tureen's mark, and is very clear above the S.
I've included a picture of the partnership's mark which itself was cut down from a Richard Carter, D. Smith and R. Sharp mark.
Clearly it must have been expensive to have a new stamp made; much cheaper to file it down.
Miles
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Miles,Tom:
Wow, this is all fantastic information! I now see what you are referring to in the mark. I thought that above the S was the actual top of the mark that resembled a "shield". Now I see that it is the bottom of the "S" of the "DS". I will try to take a clearer picture of the mark and post it for future reference and for others to see more clearly.
Thanks again, I knew you folks would be able to figure this out.
skuter
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Wow, this is all fantastic information! I now see what you are referring to in the mark. I thought that above the S was the actual top of the mark that resembled a "shield". Now I see that it is the bottom of the "S" of the "DS". I will try to take a clearer picture of the mark and post it for future reference and for others to see more clearly.
Thanks again, I knew you folks would be able to figure this out.
skuter
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Not sure if this is the answer to your question, but to me an armorial is something a person would have as an unoffical coat of arms, l have seen a lot of these on 18th cent flatware ranging from boars with arrows in their neck to crocked arms in armour holding spears, and also ploughs. We all know that initals were first put on flatware to identify thier owners, as they would take them to the hosts dinner party, so maybe they were just a engraving on the item of thier intrests or hobbies ?
Another thought if they did have a coat of arms, this amorial could be part of it, instead of engraving the whole lot, just part of it ?
Nigel
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Not sure if this is the answer to your question, but to me an armorial is something a person would have as an unoffical coat of arms, l have seen a lot of these on 18th cent flatware ranging from boars with arrows in their neck to crocked arms in armour holding spears, and also ploughs. We all know that initals were first put on flatware to identify thier owners, as they would take them to the hosts dinner party, so maybe they were just a engraving on the item of thier intrests or hobbies ?
Another thought if they did have a coat of arms, this amorial could be part of it, instead of engraving the whole lot, just part of it ?
Nigel
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