Cristal and silver decanter with the Shaumburg Lippe crown

[decanter]

My aunt in Berlin has a decanter in crystal with a silver lid marked with a monogram. The monogram consists of an “A” and of what I believe to be the Schaumburg Lippe crown.

I have a few questions about the decanter which I wonder if anyone could help me answer:

- What does the silver hallmarks say, is anyone able to interpret them?
- How old could the decanter be?
- The decanter is 14,5 cm high. For what kind of liquid has it been used?

Thank you for your help!

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

See Adolf Mogler here: http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884_7.html

In the UK, these are referred too as whisky noggins, but this may be an enhanced description suitable for the secondary market, see:


Corn Products Refining Company - Argo, Ill. - 1921

Please remember to keep your images to within the 7" (18cm) width limits.

Trev.

[decanter]

Thank you very much for your answer dognose!
We had no idea that it was used for whiskey.

Looking at the hallmark link (http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884_7.html) I wonder if it could also be Theodore Muller. On this web page I just found information about another of his decanters:
http://cutglassdecanters.info/theodore_ ... _c1900.htm

[Bahner]

Hello, typical Th. Müller stuff. Note the difference between the two "T" - with Mogler the middle line cuts right through the M, with Müller it ends where it meets the lines of the M. Regards. Bahner

[dognose]

Hi Bahner,

Many thanks for the correction. Another lesson learned (well hopefully!)

Trev.

[decanter]

Thank you very much dognose and Bahner!
Do you have any idea about when it could have been made? Is 1900 a good guess?

[Bahner]

Hello, could be a little later, say 1920ies / 1930ies. Just a gut feeling, though. No way to tell it exactly. Regards. Bahner.

[AG2012]

Hi,
It`s duke`s crown (Herzog). But it`s difficult to identify a particular family with ``A`` and the crown.
The titled aristocracy of Germany no longer holds a legal rank after 1918 . Some maintain ducal traditions,though.
If you want to identify it, keywords should be `` Liste der Markgrafen und Herzöge``
Regards

[decanter]

Thank you AG2012! How do you distinguish the duke's crown from a royal crown? My guess is that it that it is the crown of Schaumburg Lippe and that "A" is for Adolf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Ad ... burg-Lippe). Could this be possible?

Thank you also Bahner! This is the reason why I believe it to be from before 1916, when Adolf Schaumburg Lippe died.

The Schaumburg Lippe crown on the coats of arms of the principality:

[AG2012]

Hi,
Imperial crown is completely different.Take a look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)
Scroll down to
German-speaking countries

Or if you are familiar with German, take a look here for Rangkrone
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangkrone
It`s really difficult to trace the family and let alone a particular monogrammed crown.
Regards

[decanter]

Thank you AG2012!
From what I understand however a prince (of e.g. Schaumburg Lippe) and a herzog could have a monogram with the same kind of crown. Is that correct?

[AG2012]

Correct!