Pill box

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artdeco
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Pill box

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Hello,
Please help me identify origin or maker mark of this item, which looks probably France XViii?
Thank You.
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AG2012
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Re: Pill box

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Hi,
For ``crowned O`` take a look here:
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... +O#p137487
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Re: Pill box

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ET (= etranger) looks like the French mark on imported items without guarantee of fineness.
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Re: Pill box

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Hi,
Several initials with pellets.
Take a look at the reclining figure and everything else; rather poor quality not expected by any 18th century silversmith wherever he worked in Europe. Not mincing words, sorry.
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artdeco
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Re: Pill box

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Thank You!
So most probably Dutch, imported to France on the end of 19th c , right?
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Re: Pill box

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Hi Art Deco,

Silver lod(d)erein (Vinaigrette) box.
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We see twice the ET mark used 1864-1893 followed by import and duty mark of the French Empire 1809-1819;
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The small &=ET= etranger=foreign. This mark also used as tax free census mark, without guarantee on the standard of fineness. This mark also occurs rather frequently on objects bearing the older marks of Dutch guilds and the duty marks of the Kingdom of Holland, and the 1807-1812 Kingdom of Holland proper hallmarks.
The loderein box appears to be Dutch without proper Dutch (hall)marks, tax marks only.

Best,

Peter
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Re: Pill box

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oel wrote:Hi Art Deco,

Silver lod(d)erein (Vinaigrette) box.
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We see twice the ET mark used 1864-1893 followed by import and duty mark of the French Empire 1809-1819;
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The small &=ET= etranger=foreign. This mark also used as tax free census mark, without guarantee on the standard of fineness. This mark also occurs rather frequently on objects bearing the older marks of Dutch guilds and the duty marks of the Kingdom of Holland, and the 1807-1812 Kingdom of Holland proper hallmarks.
The loderein box appears to be Dutch without proper Dutch (hall)marks, tax marks only.

Best,

Peter


Thank You , Peter!
Many thanks for the help to all of you!Really much appreciated.
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