My friend has the relic from his grandmother, the silver spoon of 1820s-1840s of the silversmith mark Х.БАШ . The grandmother's family comes from Rēzekne (Rezhitsa) , Eastern Latvia (Latgale / Lettgallia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%93zekne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latgale
During the Czarist times Latgale were included into Vitebsk gubern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitebsk_Governorate
Rundale catalog does not give any information about the Latgale region silversmiths
I think this spoon could have been related to Latgale or current Belarus, Wilno, Białystok...
Does anyone recognize this hallmark and could comment it to me?
12-lot Silver spoon Х.БАШ
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Re: 12-lot Silver spoon Х.БАШ
Hi -
The vast majority of Warsaw silversmiths were made up of Jews, and they had different names and logos - Latin and Cyrillic - and they sometimes interchanged with one another: often, their stamps are not quite understandable and you do not always know who worked for whom. Also the circumvention of the costs of assay certainly played a role why some stamps are incomplete and did not comply with the legal requirements.
The shown spoon is from Poland and I guess as a manufacturer the environment of B. Szkarlat.
Here some marks of him:
Comment:
This list was created in collaboration with Qrt.S when this was still possible...
Regards
Goldstein
The vast majority of Warsaw silversmiths were made up of Jews, and they had different names and logos - Latin and Cyrillic - and they sometimes interchanged with one another: often, their stamps are not quite understandable and you do not always know who worked for whom. Also the circumvention of the costs of assay certainly played a role why some stamps are incomplete and did not comply with the legal requirements.
The shown spoon is from Poland and I guess as a manufacturer the environment of B. Szkarlat.
Here some marks of him:
Comment:
This list was created in collaboration with Qrt.S when this was still possible...
Regards
Goldstein
Re: 12-lot Silver spoon Х.БАШ
I already said that the cooperation can continue...
Nonetheless, mind my asking but what in the marks (Х.БАШ...)indicates the maker to be Szkarlat?
Nonetheless, mind my asking but what in the marks (Х.БАШ...)indicates the maker to be Szkarlat?
Re: 12-lot Silver spoon Х.БАШ
Hi -
[quote="silvermistletoe"]My friend has the relic from his grandmother, the silver spoon of 1820s-1840s of the silversmith mark Х.БАШ . The grandmother's family comes from Rēzekne (Rezhitsa) , Eastern Latvia (Latgale / Lettgallia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%93zekne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latgale
During the Czarist times Latgale were included into Vitebsk gubern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitebsk_Governorate
Rundale catalog does not give any information about the Latgale region silversmiths
I think this spoon could have been related to Latgale or current Belarus, Wilno, Białystok...
Does anyone recognize this hallmark and could comment it to me?
You perhaps know the connections of the large Jewish populations in the above named areas East Latvia, Witebsk, Vilnius, Bialystok etc. and the Jewish silversmiths from Warsaw.They often exchanged their trade marks among themselves, etc.
It was traded, exchanged and cheated. Sometimes you really do not know who was the maker and who was the seller. My example are the Szkarlat brothers - they used several logos and marks - sometimes Latin letters or Cyrillic letters plus the old wellknown 12 Loth.
I wrote: The shown spoon is from Poland and I guess as a manufacturer the environment of B. Szkarlat.
I guess!! Sadly whole populations and villages incl. archives vanished during WW II. It will be impossible to find the actual maker I think.
The OP know the first hand circumstances of his family - so maybe he understand what I want to express.
Regards
Goldstein
[quote="silvermistletoe"]My friend has the relic from his grandmother, the silver spoon of 1820s-1840s of the silversmith mark Х.БАШ . The grandmother's family comes from Rēzekne (Rezhitsa) , Eastern Latvia (Latgale / Lettgallia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%93zekne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latgale
During the Czarist times Latgale were included into Vitebsk gubern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitebsk_Governorate
Rundale catalog does not give any information about the Latgale region silversmiths
I think this spoon could have been related to Latgale or current Belarus, Wilno, Białystok...
Does anyone recognize this hallmark and could comment it to me?
You perhaps know the connections of the large Jewish populations in the above named areas East Latvia, Witebsk, Vilnius, Bialystok etc. and the Jewish silversmiths from Warsaw.They often exchanged their trade marks among themselves, etc.
It was traded, exchanged and cheated. Sometimes you really do not know who was the maker and who was the seller. My example are the Szkarlat brothers - they used several logos and marks - sometimes Latin letters or Cyrillic letters plus the old wellknown 12 Loth.
I wrote: The shown spoon is from Poland and I guess as a manufacturer the environment of B. Szkarlat.
I guess!! Sadly whole populations and villages incl. archives vanished during WW II. It will be impossible to find the actual maker I think.
The OP know the first hand circumstances of his family - so maybe he understand what I want to express.
Regards
Goldstein
Re: 12-lot Silver spoon Х.БАШ
OK, thanks, however, I know all that but I thought you had some more facts than a "guess" only. No problem, case clear.